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Video: "Sideshow Bob" Marshall Lies Through His Teeth on "Personhood" Bill

by: lowkell

Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 06:27:29 AM EST



What a bizarre interview. So, according to Del. "Sideshow Bob" Marshall (R-Mars), his "personhood" bill - HB1 doesn't really do anything, as it doesn't outlaw abortion or contraception, even as it clearly says that "unborn children at every stage of development enjoy all the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents of the Commonwealth." How does he reconcile those two statements? The only thing he says is that there's been a "law in Missouri since 1986" and supposedly it hasn't done much of anything there. Uh huh.

So, which is it Sideshow Bob: 1) your bill is a nothingburger, in which case why are you pushing it at all; or 2) your bill would most definitely make "killing" (to use Marshall's inflammatory language, even though I completely disagree with it) "unborn children at every stage of development" illegal, in which case you're lying through your teeth? I vote for #2. Any other theories?

lowkell :: Video: "Sideshow Bob" Marshall Lies Through His Teeth on "Personhood" Bill
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So it's okay to kill "persons" in Virginia? (0.00 / 0)
Okay, cool, I'll take the car out on the road and test that one out...

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According to Sideshow's pretzel logic. (0.00 / 0)
Also known as "insanity."

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I think you made Marshall's point (0.00 / 0)
Opponents of this bill have to be very very careful in how they voice their opposition to it. This is how I view this debate, and the trouble Democrats and the pro-choice groups have fighting it.

The Right has always contended that abortion is wrong and should be eliminated because it "kills" unborn babies. Pro-choice advocates argue issues like viability, as even most groups draw a line at some point.  

In your rhetorical question #2 to delegate Marshall, you give the point that abortion is a "killing", which is unlawful. Anyone fighting against this issue that cedes that point will never be able to win an argument, especially with Del. Marshall, especially on this issue.


You Misunderstand (0.00 / 0)
The questions being asked of Marshall are: (1) If your bill is what you contend it is, one that will have no effect on Virginia law, then why waste time on it? Or (2) If your bill indeed states that "personhood" begins at the moment of conception, then every mention of "person" in the Code of Virginia will have to reflect your contention that a fertilized egg is a "person."

One example: How can a pregnant woman guilty of a crime be incarcerated under Marshall's extreme view? After all, the innocent "person" she carries would then be unfairly imprisoned.

When Mississippi voters reject personhood for fertilized eggs, then surely you recognize the extremity of Marshall's view. Opponents need not to worry about rejecting his idea out of hand.


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I see that (0.00 / 0)
And the way you word it is fine. But if a politician were to argue on record the way Lowell made the point, the debate is over. To kill or to murder is wrong. Debating when life and citizenship begins is not.  

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I just edited to make the point clear. (0.00 / 0)
n/t

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Not at all. (0.00 / 0)
I'm just using his language. I absolutely do NOT agree that aborting a zygote or an embryo is "killing."  

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Ridiculous Man (0.00 / 0)
I fail to see how Bob Marshall continues to be re-elected. He's a farce of a legislator, representing mainly the most extreme positions in Catholic theology, not his constituents.

There is something psychologically unsound about men like Marshall who obsess over women's vaginas and ovaries. Surely, they suffer is a pathological affliction known as "uterine envy." They can't produce eggs or carry an unborn child. They don't have the same assurance women do that the unborn child is assuredly half theirs genetically. So, they act as if they have to possess and control women's sexuality, deathly afraid of the power of the mighty uterine possessor. If they allow women to control their own reproductive lives, men like Bob Marshall must feel emasculated. (And they are psychologically.)


I don't believe that uterine envy exists (0.00 / 0)
That's not the issue.  The problem is the the hardline catholic beliefs that Bob has.  To him, anything out of the mouth of his priest is the word of god, and that's what he's been told his entire life.  He's a true believer.  He's also extremely homophobic and, in my dealings directly with him, seems somewhat obsessive-compulsive.  All told, a disturbing mix floating around that skull of his.

He's stayed in office as long as he has primarily because his district is a mix of McMansions, where people vote Republican because that's what they think the wealthy should be voting, and some rural areas, where they firmly believe in the god, guns and gays rantings.  


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I'm beginning to think all who keep voting for Bob are "R-Mars". (0.00 / 0)
The right wing-nut cases who keep voting for him must all be from the "Mars" precinct like he is. How else can we explain why they can't understand how crazy he really is ? Or else they are all from the dark side of the planet "Duh".

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Good Explanation (0.00 / 0)
With your analysis of his electorate his continued reelection makes perfect sense. Thanks.

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From Delegate Marshall's website (0.00 / 0)
"Granted, if the personhood measure becomes law a rogue commonwealth's attorney might try to use it as a lever to overturn the entire edifice of abortion rights, including Roe v. Wade . But any such attempt would quickly collapse unless the courts themselves, including the Supreme Court, are willing to overturn Roe v. Wade.

And if that is the case, then HB1 is the last thing abortion-rights advocates need worry about."


Well that's reassuring (0.00 / 0)
Overturning Roe v Wade is of course their ultimate goal, of which HB1 is a stepping stone.  

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Unborn (4.00 / 1)
What puzzles me is all this care for the unborn when they don't give a fig about the living. Some of these people want to kill at the drop of a hat.  

Quote (0.00 / 0)
The best quote I have heard:
"The far right conservatives will defend a being in the womb with their every fiber, but once you are born you are strictly on your own." e.g.- Abolish WIC, abolish pediatric Medicaid, etc. etc. ad nauseum.  

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yup (0.00 / 0)
Once the baby is actually BORN, they couldn't care less.

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Maybe their preference is post-birth "murder by neglect" . (0.00 / 0)
n/t

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Current TV (0.00 / 0)
He also appeared on Current TV "War Room" with Jennifer Granholm :

http://current.com/shows/the-w...


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