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Will Romney Double-Down Tonight On Ryan Lies?

by: aznew

Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 21:08:45 PM EDT


As the national media today confronts the avalanche of lies served up last night by Republican VP candidate Paul Ryan, there is some evidence that the Romney campaign might be pushing the lie envelope a little too far. As an industry, the political media appears to be pushing back a bit against the lies -- more than we have seen in the past.

It will be interesting to see how the Romney-Ryan campaign responds. So far, they seem nonplussed.

As widely reported, Romney pollster Neil Newhouse, when asked about the near-unanimous fact-check condemnation of the campaign's false charge regarding Welfare work waivers, said earlier this week, "We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers."

In other words, we don't care about the truth.

Chuck Todd, meanwhile, is reporting this evening that the Romney campaign is generally unconcerned about today's uproar over the dishonesty of Ryan's speech. According to Todd, as the Romney campaign sees it, media criticism doesn't matter because the media's credibility is extremely low, and the public perceives the media as partisan and biased in any event.

Todd is also saying, however, that the campaign is pushing back a bit on the Janesville plant lie. Apparently, that particular lie, blaming Obama for something that occurred before he took office, might be a bit much, even for Mitt Romney.

But that pushback consists of their arguing that the Janesville lie is true, not stepping back from their assertions.

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aznew :: Will Romney Double-Down Tonight On Ryan Lies?
Indeed, I just saw Wolf Blitzer on CNN interviewing Ryan himself, who wasn't giving an inch on any of this, including the Janesville BS. To his credit, Wolf confronted Ryan, but in defending his lies, Ryan just hit Wolf with more lying. No way could Wolf keep up.

In short, as long as Romney and Ryan are willing to pile lie upon lie, and as long as they are unconcerned about the shame of being called out as liars by fact-checker after fact-checker, the media won't be able to stop this. It is really breathtaking.

Still, the fact is that mainstream journalists tend to be herd animals, and the larger the herd becomes the more comfortable more journalists will be joining the herd.

In this regard (as well as many others, obviously), tonight's Romney speech will be the tell about what the campaign really thinks about this veracity issue. If Romney's speech is as factually challenged as Ryan's speech, the journalist herd will almost certainly grow tomorrow, and at some point potentially reach a critical mass that could become problematic and prevent Romney and Ryan from making their case to the independent voters Romney will need to win this election.

If, on the other hand, Romney's speech stays away from the lies his campaign has been promoting, and Romney is still able to deliver a successful speech (i.e., delivering an effective critique of the Obama Administration and a rationale for his own election), then the lying issue will go away.

Romney's problem, of course, is that he has so far been unable to make the case either against Obama or for himself without lying.

More specifically, the key Romney lies to look for are whether he repeats the discredited charges that Obama is "robbing" $716 billion from Medicare, and that Obama has "ended" work rules for welfare. If Romney fails to mention these things, it means they are nervous about possible blowback.

If Romney doubles down on the lying strategy, however, it signals he believes he is losing the election, and will need to resort to dishonesty and race-baiting in order to win ugly.

The early excepts of the acceptance speech released this evening by the Romney campaign seem to stay away from the lies, but it is only a short excerpt, and it remains to be seen whether Romney himself is defiant in the face of the fact-checkers.

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There is another angle (0.00 / 0)
Is it not also possible that Romney will (at least tonight) take the "high road," as you suggest in your last paragraph---- and leave the "low road" to his vice-presidential candidate and other customary attack dogs? Has that not been done in the past?

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But this will be the largest audience he will have to make the case against Obama (I don't think Romney has the guts to lie about Obama during the debates, right to his face), so will he want to le the opportunity go by?

The excerpts show he is mounting a critique of Obama -- the old "He hasn't delivered hope and change."

Romney will also assert that when he took office, everyone wanted Obama to succeed. But we know, of course, that key Republicans met the night of the inauguration and hatched a plan to refuse to cooperate with Obama on anything.


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Ryan did the same thing with Scott Pelley tonight on CBS News (0.00 / 0)
Pelley asked him about his claim that Obama's 100% at fault for S&P's downgrade of the U.S. credit rating from AAA. In reality, of course, that downgrade was 99.9999% the result of Republicans - Ryan included - holding the US economy hostage to their wildly irresponsible, unprecedented refusal to raise the U.S. debt ceiling, as has been done dozens of time under both Republican and Democratic presidents. Pelley then literally READ the S&P credit rating downgrade to Ryan -- "We have changed our assumptions on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues." Ryan then simply said he didn't see it that way. WTF?!?  These people truly are pathological.  What next, they're going to deny that 99% of scientists say there's global warming, or evolution, or...oh wait, they do that too. F*** this party and the horse it rode in on!

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Is it just me (0.00 / 0)
or does Clint Eastwood seem to be completely out of it tonight?  

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