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Allen-Kaine Debate at The Homestead; Blacked Out. Lucky for Allen as Kaine Crushes Him!

by: lowkell

Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:18:54 AM EDT


UPDATE 12:18 pm: @MikeSigner tweets, "@timkaine's closing: 'This election fundamentally is about tomorrow...not smashmouth politics... We can't go back to...fighting innovation'" Amazingly, no sports reference in Allen's closing. Allen reads closing statement directly from notes (what, no teleprompter available, George?). @MikeSigner tweets, "@timkaine the clear winner of the debate." Yes, Signer's a Democrat, as am I, but there's no doubt that Allen was rattled, didn't have any answers, and got manhandled by an articulate, well-informed, far superior opponent. I'd almost feel sorry for Felix, except that he's a thug who likes calling young Asian-American trackers "macacas," bullying women (and GLBT people, etc.)...

UPDATE 12:13 pm: ‏@scontorno tweets, "Kaine notes GOP guvs who held party jobs. Kaine: McDonnell RGA leader, Gilmore RNC chairman" Also from @scontorno: "Kaine also notes that Allen was chairman of the NRSC and said 'my number one job is to elect Republicans.' Clearly, it wasn't to be a Senator (a job Allen hated, by the way), that's for sure!

UPDATE 12:10 pm: @scontorno tweets, "Kaine: Allen was guv during Clinton-supported economic boom. I was guv during recession. 'I have some scar tissue governing in tough times.'" Yep, Democrats clean up the messes Republicans create, then Republicans blame Democrats for doing so. These people are shameless and insufferable.

UPDATE 12:10 pm: Another howler is Allen claiming he's running to create jobs. This, from the guy who voted 96% of the time with Bush to GET US INTO THIS MESS!!! What's the saying? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME!"

UPDATE 12:09 pm:  ‏@scontorno tweets, "Allen says he traveled the state and personhood doesnt come up. 'What comes up is not issues like this. It's jobs.'" @timkaine tweets, "VA women can't afford 6 more yrs of Allen. Wants federal personhood laws and opposes equal pay bills."  @MoElleithee tweets, "@georgeallenva complains that @timkaine asked about support for personhood. Says ppl don't ask him about that. Then why is he PROPOSING it?"

UPDATE 12:05 pm: Kaine says he wants to build things again, invest in America, that will help economy and create jobs. Kaine asks Allen, "why would you claime to be a small government guy and propose what would be such a dramatic reach into peoples' personal lives and moral issues" with the "personhood amendment?" Allen just says he doesn't want to ban contraceptives. #FAIL!!! Even more amazing, does Allen not know what the personhood amendment actually means, given that he f'd up the same question at the last debate?!? Couldn't he even make the least effort to get his facts straight for this one? Unbelievable.

UPDATE 12:03 pm: ‏@timkaine tweets, "Allen's push for ACA repeal would leave millions uninsured while he accepts taxpayer funded Congressional health care."  ‏@brandihoffine tweets, "@georgeallenva's contradiction - says he can work w/other side but slams POTUS at every turn & can't name 1 thing he would break w/Romney on"

UPDATE 12:00 pm: Allen continues to get his a** handed to him by an infinitely better informed Tim Kaine. @MoElleithee tweets, "@georgeallenva struggling in this debate straddling with 2 messages. Says he's not obstructionist. But attacks POTUS every answer." So typical, Allen's got nothing but nastiness and appealing to fear and ignorance. Typical Teapublican. Ugh.

lowkell :: Allen-Kaine Debate at The Homestead; Blacked Out. Lucky for Allen as Kaine Crushes Him!
UPDATE 11:58 am: Now debating health care. Allen, of course, wants to repeal "Obamacare," even though his party's presidential nominee signed "Romneycare," which is basically the model. Whatever, logic doesn't have any relevance to Republican politicians. Kaine points out all the benefits of Affordable Care Act - children under 26, no more preexisting condition exclusions, contraception coverage for women, etc, etc. Allen would ditch all of that in the Senate. Kaine says he'd fight to make it better, with more cost savings. Meanwhile, when George was in the Senate, health insurance premiums climbed by 70%!

UPDATE 11:56 am:  ‏@scontorno tweets, "Kaine stops Allen calling him Obama's handpicked senator: For you to say I'm handpicked by somebody else...proves the point that I just made." That Allen is nasty, smash mouth, etc. Yep. @MoElleithee tweets, "@timkaine makes a pledge: I will be a partner with the POTUS regardless of party, not running to be an obstructionist."

UPDATE 11:55 am: ‏@scontorno tweets, "Kaine hits Allen for saying he worked with Clinton. Quotes Allen saying Clinton is 'so contrary to all of our values.'" @timkaine tweets, "Kaine worked with the Bush Administration to secure $900 million in federal investment for Rail to Dulles"

UPDATE 11:54 am: Kaine is pummeling Allen, no wonder why Felix doesn't want these debates televised or live streamed!!! (I'm told Allen is rattled, sweating...)

UPDATE 11:52 am: Missed a good one by @MoElleithee - "@georgeallenva says his top priority would not be disagreeing with anyone. Not true. His entire campaign is anti-Obama." @MoElleithee also tweets, "@timkaine on bipartisanship: my father-in-law is a former republican governor of Virginia. It starts at home for me!"

UPDATE 11:50 am: @MoElleithee tweets, "Did @georgeallenva say his "kick soft teeth down their whining throat" comment was a sports analogy? What sport????" (Yeah, and "macaca" was a made-up nonsense word. Are all Republican politicians pathological liars or what?!? Another Willard Romney here...)

UPDATE 11:46 am: Kaine calls out Allen for divisive, nasty rhetoric - specifically notes "soft teeth whining throat" comments by Allen. Kaine hitting Allen's name calling, smash-mouth politics hard. Allen tries to claim he's worked in a bipartisan fashion, which is just utterly laughable. Allen also claims to be a leader on cyber security. What next, he invented the internet? LOL @MichaelSluss tweets, "Asked where he differs with @MittRomney, @georgeallenva cites nothing specific. @timkaine cites difference w/ @BarackObama on Bush tax cuts."

UPDATE 11:42 am: Kaine says "George your record is a big spending record" You voted to turn surpluses into deficits, voted 4 times to you raise own pay, 6 times against pay cuts, for 52,000 earmarks, over $160 billion in spending Kaine just slammed Allen big time. There can be no real response to this from Allen, because it's all true. @MoElleithee tweets, "@georgeallenva says when he left office we were on trajectory towards balanced budget. Actually he came in with 1, left with deficit." @scontorno tweets, "Kaine: 'you planted time bombs in the budget.' I think he used that line last debate too." Good line, also true!

UPDATE 11:40 am: @scontorno tweets, "Kaine: Would support 2-3 dollars of cuts for every dollar of revenue." @MoElleithee tweets, "Next topic: Bush tax cuts. @timkaine has middle ground compromise of rolling back on those over $500k. @georgeallenva says keep them all." So much for Allen being a fiscal conservative; no way to balance budget like that, unless (wink wink) he plans to trash Medicare and Social Security. Hmmmm, ya think? (can we say "Ryan Budget?") @brandihoffine tweets, "@georgeallenva rejects even 10:1 cuts to revenues. would hammer VA's economy." Remember, Virginia relies more heavily on Federal spending and civilian/military/contractor employment than basically any other state. Allen's massive cuts would be devastating to Virginia!

UPDASTE 11:37 am: Kaine says Allen talks like a fiscal conservative, but has never actually done it. Allen says he will if we give him a third chance, but that's tough to believe... @timkaine tweets, "Despite rhetoric, George Allen has always grown gov't: budget grew over 40% as Gov & voted to add $3T to debt as Sen." @scontorno tweets, "Crowley: Why doesn't anyone say lets get rid of all the Bush tax cuts?" Good question!

UPDATE 11:35 am: @MikeSigner tweets, "Wow, I can't believe @georgeallenva won't answer @timkaine's tough question about not paying for Medicare Part D. Just didn't answer!!" @scontorno tweets, "Why not pay for Medicaid Part D? Allen: after 9/11 no one wanted to raise taxes." Wow, that is really low, taking a national tragedy and blaming THAT for his piss-poor policy judgment. #FAIL!!!

UPDATE 11:31 am: ‏@scontorno tweets, "Allen: unmanned aerial vehicles can help reduce cost of military." Also, 30 minutes in and Allen FINALLY drops his first (inevitable) football reference ("throw a flag". Kaine asks Allen about Medicare Part D - program costs 400 billion in first 10 years, a trillion in next 10 - George, why didn't you pay for it? Allen advocates health savings account, also blames not paying for Medicare Part D on the war. WTF?!?!?!? @MikeSigner tweets, "@timkaine drills @georgeallenva on failing to pay for 400 billion cost of Medicare drug benefit." As well he should!

UPDATE 11:28 am: @MikeSigner tweets, "@georgeallenva extremely defensive, even panicky in explaining his opposition to the budget deal McDonnell, Cantor, and Kaine supported." @scontorno tweets, "Allen: I could never envision myself voting for something that would be so horrible for Virginia. (on military cuts)" Hahahaha, whatever dude, talk to Eric Can'tor and the rest of your party that was responsible for that! Duhhhhhhh. @timkaine tweets, "Allen urged GOP to use debt ceiling crisis as 'leverage' while Gov. McDonnell & other R's urged compromise" Yes, the Republicans held the nation hostage for months, then complain about the results. Wildly irresponsible.

UPDATE 11:25 am: @scontorno tweets, "Kaine is quickly turning this against Allen to hit him on spending, not backing paygo." Rightly so! Allen voted to raise his own pay 4 times; voted against paygo; he's like a teenager with a credit card just running it up! @MikeSigner tweets, "@timkaine on fire in debate-calls @georgeallenva on carpet for increasing federal spending, debt ceiling, own pay. #rhetoricvsreality"

UPDATE 11:24 am: ‏@MoElleithee tweets, "@timkaine calls for a balanced approach to deficit. 1st main difference with @georgeallenva in #vasen debate." @MichaelSlussRT tweets, "@georgeallenva , @timkaine now sparring on taxes in #vasen debate. Kaine would let Bush tax cuts expire in income $500K and greater."

UPDATE 11:22 am: @scontorno tweets, "Crowley asks Allen if he would take 10 to 1 spending cuts to revenue increases. Allen's answer: raising taxes will only create more job loss...Crowley presses him to answer the question: So that's a no? Allen: yea, i think that's pretty obvious."

UPDATE 11:20 am: Q: Would you vote for a tax increase if you were ensured it was accompanied by budget cuts?  Allen says lower flatter tax will increase jobs, raising taxes only increases jobs at the IRS. What bull****. Kaine - I cut a lot of taxes as Mayor, and I've done a lot of expense cuts. Tut we need more revenue to fix this debt issue, most of it occured while George Allen was in the Senate -- unfunded Medicare Part D, two wars not funded, "temporary" tax cuts that they now want to make permanent. We need to grow the economy for small businesses

UPDATE 11:18 am:  ‏@scontorno tweets, "Allen clarifies: 'I do think there out to criminal records checks from licensed firearms dealers.' So maybe not gun shows?"

UPDATE 11:15 am:  ‏@scontorno tweets, "Kaine: 'I for one believe we need to do background record checks when guns are purchased at gunshows.'" ‏@brandihoffine
.@timkaine reflects on leading VA through terrible tragedy at #Tech, talked abt work with @BobMcDonnell to implement bipartisan reforms @scontorno tweets, "Allen: 'I am for criminal records checks.' also mental checks. but said should wait to see what comes out of #aurora investigation."

UPDATE 11:12 am: @scontorno tweets, "Kaine: Let's play nice. Allen: 'Virginia is hurting because of the failed policies in Washington that my opponent has advocated.'" @AllenVA_Press tweets, "@GeorgeAllenVA: 'It's time to bring the Voices of hardworking taxpayers to Washington for a more efficient, effective & accountable gov't'" @MikeSigner tweets, "@georgeallenva attacks Pentagon job losses (resulting from Rep intransigence on budget)-one area where he believes in stimulus spending." @scontorno: "Crowley's first questions is, of course, about gun control in wake of #Aurora shooting."

UPDATE 11:09 am: @scontorno tweets that Kaine "Brings up tragedy at Colorado & links it to VaTech. Kaine guv during that crisis" @MikeSigner tweets that @timkaine says "We have huge issues...but somehow we've let our politics get very small." Lily Adams (@adamslily) tweets, "In opening - @timkaine discusses his visit to volunteer at the RAM clinic yesterday in Wise County." Brandi Hoffine (@brandihoffine) tweets, "@timkaine reflects on yesterday's shooting in CO: 'we've let our politics get very small, divisive, petty, & personal.'"

UPDATE 11:07 am: Tim Kaine making his opening statement. Wes Hester tweets, "Allen wearing a red tie, Kaine blue. Makes sense." Also, Steve Contorno (@scontorno) of the Washington Examiner tweets, "Candy Crowley of CNN is the moderator. Just in case no one realized how big a deal this race is."

UPDATE 10:50 am: Click on that photo to "embiggen," it's pretty cool! (no Allen supporters in sight, gotta love it)

UPDATE 10:37 am: Wes Hester of the RTD tweets, "Ahead of US Sen debate @TheHomestead college-aged kids screaming & waving @timkaine signs. Also, the coffee here is tremendous." Wes Hester adds, "#VASEN debate attendees trickling in, @RobertHurt and @CreighDeeds among them. Moderator @crowleyCNN is also here."
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I'm not physically present at The Homestead for the first Kaine-Allen general election debate, and there's no TV, radio, or intertubes livestream for some idiotic reason (more on that below). Still, I'm going to do my best to cover this thing regardless.  I'll be following twitter and other updates from deep inside the hallowed halls of The Homestead.

By the way, you're probably wondering why this extremely important debate isn't being televised, radio broadcast, and/or livestreamed online. It's truly astounding, and really makes you wonder who's responsible for this travesty to democracy (and no, I don't buy the "tradition" argument; the world advances, and so should the Virginia Bar Association debates!).

Let's just put it this way; it's highly unlikely, bordering on impossible, that this blackout was demanded by Tim Kaine. That's simply not the way Kaine is about these types of things; in fact, it's totally out of character for Kaine in general.

Now George Allen, on the other hand; well he's a totally different story. In 2006, we saw how thin skinned he could be, how hypersensitive, and how worried about making a gaffe (or more likely, multiple gaffes). For good reason, too, for all of us who remember not just "macaca," but everything after "macaca," including Allen's absurd explanation for what that meant and why he said it, his vicious lashing out at reporter Peggy Fox for the audacity of asking him about his Jewish background (which turned out to be 100% correct, by the way), and other assorted idiocies. We also know that Allen hates to talk to the non-right-wingnut press, and avoids doing so at all costs. For instance, Allen refused to talk to the press after the Republican primary debates this past spring.

In sum, Allen's the classic coward/bully combination, someone who tries desperately to cultivate an image of geniality, but is actually as nasty as they come ("shove their soft teeth down their whiny throats," anyone? yep, that's our Felix!), and it would certainly be in character for him to be a d*** about not allowing the first general election debate with Tim Kaine to be broadcast. That's my theory, and I'm sticking with it, although I'm certainly open to other ideas...

P.S. Also remember, George Allen has a lot to hide, starting with his miserable record in the U.S. Senate, where he voted 96% of the time with George W. Bush in the disastrous policies that turned record surpluses into massive deficits; that burdened us with two unpaid-for wars and an unpaid-for new entitlement program; etc. Allen also wants everyone to forget about his disgraceful reelection campaign in 2006, as well as what he's done since 2006 (whoring for dirty energy interests for wads of cash). And, of course, Allen's divisive, extremist agenda isn't exactly one that's going to play well with most Virginians if they truly understand what it's all about. Other than that, I'm sure Allen's VERY eager to have these debates seen by as many Virginians as possible. (snark)

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Kaine campaign: "What to expect in today's VBA Debate " (0.00 / 0)
To:        Interested Parties
From:   Kaine for Virginia
Date:    July 21, 2012
Re:       What to Expect in Today's Virginia Bar Association Debate

In today's debate between Tim Kaine and George Allen, you're going to hear two very different approaches to solving our nation's economic challenges, creating jobs, and reducing our deficit.  You'll also hear two very different approaches to governing between a candidate with a career-long record of working across the aisle to strengthen the economy and create opportunities and a candidate who has consistently denigrated compromise, even when the economy - and Virginia - stands to gain.

Following his primary victory, George Allen has attempted to remake his image into one of a bipartisan bridge-builder, and as someone with the solutions to get the economy back on track and rein in government spending.

The problem is, that's not the George Allen Virginians know.

No matter how hard George Allen tries to run away from his Senate record, Virginians know this is his reelection campaign.  And on issues from the economy, to spending, to finding common ground, George Allen fell short the last time he was in the Senate.  We tried it his way before, and it didn't work.  Why would we try it again?

We expect George Allen to continue his efforts today to hide his partisan record and failed agenda.  
The George Allen Virginians know increased spending by more than 40 percent as governor and turned a record surplus into a massive deficit as Senator.  While he may say he 'reined in spending' every ounce of evidence says the opposite.

The George Allen Virginians know voted four times to raise his own pay while also voting to cut the minimum wage, student loans, and veterans' benefits and shift Social Security dollars to private accounts.  

The George Allen Virginians know is promoting the same failed economic policies that didn't work the last time he was in the Senate and won't solve our economic challenges now -policies like tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and big oil companies at the expense of investments that will create real jobs in Virginia and across the country.  

The George Allen Virginians know would rather refight partisan battles than work together to strengthen the economy.  He's promised to re-litigate decades old battles on abortion and contraception by introducing 'personhood' legislation that could ban some forms of birth control at the federal level.  He's ridiculed clean energy and the jobs it would create.  And, he's promised to make his first act as a U.S. Senator holding yet another partisan vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

The George Allen Virginians know threatens his opponents, ridicules bipartisanship, and has a long history of pitting Virginians against one another.  He's said Republicans should enjoy knocking Democrats' "soft teeth down their whiny throats," and that they should save their "venom" for political opponents. He's called Virginians who disagree with him 'sanctimonious social engineers,' and the Virginian Pilot labeled him the "most partisan chief executive in modern Virginia history."
On the other hand, you'll hear from Tim Kaine - a candidate who inherited the economic mess George Allen helped create and worked across the aisle to strengthen Virginia's economy even in tough fiscal times.  
The Tim Kaine Virginians know balanced the Commonwealth's budget and was the only governor in modern times to leave with a smaller General Fund budget than the one he inherited.  He cut $5 billion in spending, but did so while maintaining Virginia's reputation as the "Best State for Business" and the "Best Managed" state.  The Pew Center on the States singled Virginia out as one of four states leading the nation in making wise budget decisions during the recession.

The Tim Kaine Virginians know cut his pay, while working across the aisle to invest in priorities like education and infrastructure.  Working with Republicans, he made the largest investment in higher education construction in the Commonwealth's history.  In addition, he worked with the Bush administration and Virginia Republicans to make Dulles Rail a reality after decades on the drawing board.  Virginians are employed today on that project thanks to his work.

The Tim Kaine Virginians know is promoting an economic agenda that creates jobs in the short-term through investments in infrastructure and leveling the playing field for our small businesses while also making long-term investments in areas like STEM education and clean energy that will strengthen the economy.

The Tim Kaine Virginians know wants to tackle tomorrow's challenges, not refight yesterday's battles.  He's proposed common ground solutions on key issues of the day, like extending the Bush tax cuts for those making less than $500,000.  He's stood against efforts to re-litigate social issues and instead called for leaders to focus on our economic challenges.

The Tim Kaine Virginians know has a record as mayor and governor of working together with Republicans, Independents, and Democrats to find real solutions to our economic challenges.  As governor, these bipartisan efforts led to new corporations moving to the Commonwealth, lower taxes for hundreds of thousands of Virginians, and new state-of-the-art facilities at our Commonwealth's universities and colleges.  
To sum up, two very different approaches from two very different candidates

George Allen will tout the exact same policies he promoted the last time he was in the Senate -- policies that helped create the mess we're in today.  Tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans at the expense of families and businesses didn't work the last time and we can't afford to go back.  Taxpayer subsidies to already profitable big oil companies didn't work the last time and we can't afford to go back.  Refusing to pay for what he spent didn't work the last time -- in fact it turned a record surplus into a massive deficit -- and we can't afford to go back.  Throughout this campaign, George Allen has proven time and again that he's more interested in refighting partisan battles of the past than tackling tomorrow's challenges.  And, throughout his career, he's demonstrated that he'd rather pit Virginians against each other and create gridlock, than bring people together to find common ground to strengthen our economy.

Tim Kaine will take the Virginia approach to Washington.  He'll work across the aisle to find common ground on tomorrow's challenges.  Virginians know this is what he'll do because it's how he behaved as Virginia's governor and Richmond's mayor and it's how he's conducted his race for the senate.   He'll make smart spending cuts, like the ones he made as governor, to get our fiscal house in order and make our budget thinner without making our nation weaker.  And, he'll build on investments he made as governor in infrastructure and education to put people to work in the short term and make our economy more competitive in the long run.



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I have to admit I've been lukewarm toward TK but dry ice toward MacacaMan. That said, I'm warming up to Tim. The RAM visit yesterday indicates to me that he is interested in VA citizens and knows what we're up against. MacacaMan will never get it.

FACT CHECK: ALLEN'S ONLY "PROMISE" TO VETS WAS TO VOTE AGAINST BENEFITS (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: ALLEN'S ONLY "PROMISE" TO VETS WAS TO VOTE AGAINST BENEFITS

Richmond, VA - In today's debate, Republican candidate George Allen said he would always be a reliable vote for our returning veterans, but his record has been anything but reliable.

As a senator, George Allen has frequently voted against the interests of veterans, including against funds for TRICARE benefits and the Department of Veterans Affairs, and even against tax credits for hiring homeless veterans. He failed to introduce the GI Bill Senator Webb got passed. Virginia veterans have already seen what a term from George Allen looks like and they just can't trust his reelection rhetoric.

Allen Voted Repeatedly Against Funding For Tricare And Veterans' Health Needs

2006: Allen Voted Against Measure To Increase TRICARE Funding And Block Fee And Co-Payment Increases. In 2006, Allen voted against an amendment that would have put more money into Tricare, and would have blocked a Bush administration proposal to raise fees and co-payments for younger retirees on Tricare. The amendment would have been paid for by closing tax loopholes. Republicans DeWine and Chafee voted for the amendment, which failed 46-53. Allen voted no. [Roll Call Vote No. 67, 3/16/06]
Amendment Allen Opposed Would Have Closed Tax Loopholes And Raised $10.4 Billion For TRICARE And Blocked Bush Proposal To Increase Tricare Fees. The Navy Times reported, "Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., offered an amendment that would have blocked a Bush administration proposal to increase health care fees and co-payments for military retirees under age 65 who are covered by Tricare, but that amendment was defeated by a 53-46 vote. Kerry's amendment would have closed tax loopholes to raise $10.4 billion over five years as an alternative to increasing Tricare fees for younger retirees." [Navy Times, 3/27/06]
2006: Allen Rejected $1.5 Billion for Veterans' Health Care Paid For By Closing Corporate Tax Loopholes.  During debate on the FY 2007 budget resolution, Allen voted against an amendment that would have closed corporate tax loopholes in order to increase veterans' health care funding by $1.5 billion. [Vote 41, 3/14/06; Spokesman-Review, 3/15/06]

2005: Allen Rejected $500 Million a Year for Vets' Mental Health Care. In November 2005, Allen killed a proposal to provide an additional $500 million a year over five years for veterans' mental health services, to be offset by rolling back tax cuts for millionaires. [Vote 343, 11/17/05]

Allen Voted Against Funding Veterans Benefits And The Department Of Veterans Affairs

2005: Allen Voted Against Increasing Funding For The Veterans Affairs Department By $1.98 Billion.  In 2005, Allen voted against consideration of Murray amendment which would have increased funding for the Veterans Affairs Department by $1.98 billion and designate it as emergency spending.  It would stipulate that $840 million be used for veterans regional health networks; $610 million be used to address the needs of service members deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan; and $525 million be used to provide mental health care and treatment.  [HR 1268, Vote 89, 4/12/05, Passed 46-54, D:44-0, R:1-54, I:1-0]

2003: Allen Opposed $1 Billion For Veterans.  During debate on the FY 2004 budget resolution, Allen opposed an amendment that would have increased veterans' funding by $1 billion, to be offset by rolling back tax cuts. [Vote 74, 3/21/03]

Allen Voted Against Tax Credit For Businesses That Want To Hire Veterans;

2001: Allen Voted Against Enacting A Tax Credit For Hiring Homeless Veterans.  Allen voted against waiving the Budget Act for the consideration of the Boxer amendment (No. 767) to the Tax Relief Act of 2001 (H.R. 1836).  The Boxer amendment would enact changes related to arsenic in drinking water.  On May 24, 2001, the amendment was modified by unanimous consent to strike the provisions related to arsenic and in lieu thereof to insert substitute provisions.  Those provisions would enact a new tax credit to encourage employers to hire homeless veterans.  To offset the cost, the proposed tax relief for the top bracket would be reduced.  The motion was rejected, 49-50.  [Vote 148, 85/ (Motion rejected 49-50: R 1-48; D 48-2 (ND 40-1, SD 8-1)), S. Amdt. 767, Senate RPC, 5/22/01]

Allen Refused To Introduce G.I. Bill As A Senator Because Senate Moved Too Slow, Senator Webb Introduced The Bill And Secured Passage

Allen Claimed He Hadn't Introduced Legislation To Expand The GI Bill Because The Senate Moved Too Slow. In July 2006, the Newport News Daily Press reported that during their first debate, "Webb scored when he asked Allen to join him in expanding the GI Bill to include complete tuition, books and a stipend for veterans with service since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The benefits in the current Montgomery GI Bill are more limited. 'I like football, but football isn't life,' Webb said, gibing at Allen's habit of using metaphors from the sport in his speeches. 'My heroes are the young men and women who step forward at the risk of losing their lives. ... I believe that the young people serving today deserve better.' It was a pitch that Webb had made two weeks ago at the state American Legion convention in Richmond. Allen pointed to all the veterans' benefits he had supported, without directly responding to Webb, who countered with a suggestion that submitting such a bill 'is well within your power right now. You could do it next week.' Responded Allen: 'If the Senate didn't move at the pace of a wounded sea slug, I could.' The audience tittered at Allen's reference to the pace of the Senate, a repeat of a comment from a presidential foray into Iowa he made a few months ago. 'He clearly didn't know what the Montgomery GI Bill was,' Webb said later of his own 'gotcha question' of Allen." [Newport News Daily Press, 7/23/06]

Webb Introduced 21st Century GI Bill On His First Day Of Office; It Passed The Senate 92-6 And Was Signed Into Law By President Bush. A press release from Senator Webb's office stated, "On Monday, June 30, President Bush signed into law landmark legislation introduced by Senator Jim Webb (D-Va.) to provide post-9/11 veterans with comprehensive educational benefits. Last week, the legislation was overwhelmingly passed by both the House of Representatives and Senate. Senator Jim Webb introduced this bill eighteen months ago on his first day in office. The bipartisan measure-- principally cosponsored by Sens. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), and John Warner (R-VA), has unprecedented support from all major veterans' organizations, in addition to strong bipartisan support in Congress, with a House vote of 416 to 12, and a Senate vote of 92 to 6." [Press Release, Office of Senator Webb, 7/1/08]



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FACT CHECK: BIPARTISAN? ALLEN VOTED WITH GOP 95% OF THE TIME (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: BIPARTISAN? ALLEN VOTED WITH GOP 95% OF THE TIME

Richmond, VA - In today's debate, Republican candidate George Allen continued to insist he would work in a bipartisan manner when all the evidence of his career suggests otherwise. The truth is, there are few who can match George Allen's hardline partisanship that he displayed as a governor and as a senator.

Ever since he infamously said Republicans should "enjoy knocking [Democrats'] soft teeth down their whiny throats," Allen has consistently chosen party orthodoxy over finding common ground. Appropriately, the Virginian-Pilot labeled him, "Virginia's most openly partisan governor in memory." As a senator he voted with the Republican Party 95 percent of the time and opposed major bipartisan packages like comprehensive immigration reform.

Few Can Match George Allen's Hardline Partisanship

During The 1994 Virginia Republican Convention, Allen Said Of Democrats: "Let's Enjoy Knocking Their Soft Teeth Down Their Whining Throats." [1994 Virginia Republican Convention, C-Span, 6/4/1994]

Virginian-Pilot Editorial: Allen Was "Virginia's Most Openly Partisan Governor In Memory." [Editorial, Virginian-Pilot, 12/31/95]

As Senator, Voted Lock-Step With Republicans 95% Of The Time

CQ: George Allen Voted With Republicans 95% During Senate Career.  According to Congressional Quarterly, during his career Senator George Allen had voted with his party 95%. [Congressional Quarterly Annual Almanacs 2001-2006]

Routinely Opposed Bi-Partisan Compromises

Allen Was The "Leading Voice For Conservatives Unhappy With The McCain-Lead Compromise" On Judicial Nominees, Known As The Gang Of 14.  Time Magazine reported, "Virginia Senator George Allen has emerged as leading voice for conservatives unhappy with the McCain-lead compromise that ended the judicial filibuster debate and has called on Frist to bring up more controversial nominees to force a vote." [Time, 6/16/05]

Allen On Gang Of 14: "A Group Of Fourteen Senators Got Together And Made A 'Deal.' ... This So-Called Deal Is Disappointing."In a constituent newsletter, Allen stated, "This past month, I was optimistic that members of the Senate would finally get up from their cushy seats and vote to end the unprecedented filibusters of President Bush's judicial nominees. However, a group of fourteen senators got together and made a 'deal' to end the filibuster of some of the nominees, but not others. I am one who believes that you don't compromise your principles; so, I thought this deal was a disappointment." [Allen Constituent Newsletter, 6/1/05]
John Warner Helped Form The "Gang Of 14."Roll Call reported, "Warner was one of the leading Senators who, along with McCain, helped form the 'Gang of 14' that came together in 2005 to try to avert a showdown over Bush's judicial nominations." [Roll Call, 3/7/07]

Allen Opposed 2006 Senate Immigration Bill. In May 2006, Allen voted against the bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform bill in the Senate. The vote passed 62-36 in the Senate, with 23 Republicans voting for it. [Vote 157, 5/25/06; Vote 144, 5/24/06; CQ Floor Votes]

2006: Allen Broke With Warner In Voting Against Senate Immigration Bill.  On May 25, 2006 Allen broke with Virginia's senior Senator, John Warner, and voted against the Senate's comprehensive immigration reform bill.  [Richmond Times-Dispatch, 5/26/06]
John Warner Said Allen's Approach To Immigration Would Be Bad For Business.The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported, "Congress has so far failed to vote on a compromise bill that would create a temporary-workers program and offer a path to citizenship. . . . U.S. Sen. George Allen, R-Va., a potential presidential candidate in 2008, is against legalizing unauthorized immigrants. 'Ultimately, I think they're going to have to go back to their country and reapply,' he said last month. U.S. Sen. John W. Warner, R-Va., has said Allen's approach would harm businesses." [Richmond Times-Dispatch, 4/10/06]



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FACT CHECK: ALLEN SUPPORTED DEFAULT IN BREAK WITH MCDONNELL, CHAMBER (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: ALLEN SUPPORTED DEFAULT IN BREAK WITH MCDONNELL, CHAMBER

Richmond, VA - In today's debate, Republican candidate George Allen reminded Virginia voters that last summer he was willing to break with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and fellow Republicans like Governor Bob McDonnell to risk the nation's full faith and credit by opposing the debt ceiling compromise.

While George Allen had no problem raising the debt ceiling four times without spending cuts when he was in the Senate, he called the debt crisis this time around a "great opportunity" and urged Tea Party Republicans to use it as "leverage" for their extreme agenda. Virginians don't need more entrenched gridlock that prioritizes scoring political points over common ground. They can't afford another term of George Allen.

Unlike Gov. McDonnell And Rep. Cantor, Allen Opposed The Debt Ceiling Deal

Washington Post: Allen's Stance On Debt Deal A "Cynical Flip-Flop;" Allen Opposed While Cantor And McDonnell Supported. In August 2011, the Washington Post criticized Allen in an editorial headlined, "An Early Flip-Flop For Senate Candidate George Allen." The Post wrote, "As a one-term Republican senator, George Allen voted four times to raise the nation's debt ceiling - an expansion totaling $3.2 trillion - explaining at one point that, while it was unpleasant, increasing the limit was the responsible thing to do. Today, as a candidate trying to regain the Virginia Senate seat he lost in 2006, Mr. Allen has found the new debt-limiting religion, and he's peddling it with the fervor of a convert. Condemning the spendthrifts in Washington among whom he used to move so collegially, Mr. Allen now blasts the eleventh-hour deal in Congress to avoid default, saying it provides no 'long-term solution to our debt crisis.' A spokesman confirms that Mr. Allen, had he been in the Senate, would have voted Tuesday with the minority to defeat the deal. So much for Mr. Allen's erstwhile concern for doing the responsible thing. Mr. Allen's cynical flip-flop can be seen partly in the context of Virginia's Republican primary for the Senate, in which he faces former state Tea Party head Jamie Radtke, whose bona fides as a debt-ceiling diehard are unassailable. . . . [B]y insisting that a balanced-budget amendment be included in any deal, he sets the bar beyond the realm of political reality. In effect, Mr. Allen's stance was no less likely to lead to default than Ms. Radtke's. . . . Even as he condemned the debt deal, his fellow Virginia Republicans, including Gov. Robert F. McDonnell and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, were supporting it. . . . As a candidate for the Senate, his attempts to rebrand himself as an insurgent ring hollow." [Editorial, Washington Post, 8/3/11]

Allen Advocated Using The Debt Crisis As "Leverage," And Called The Debt Ceiling Crisis "A Great Opportunity."

Allen: "Debt Ceiling Vote, As Dangerous As Some People Say It Is, It Is A Great Opportunity." In an interview with Neil Cavuto on Fox Business, Allen said, "I actually think that this debt ceiling vote, as dangerous as some people say it is, it is a great opportunity. It is leverage that we conservatives have to say, 'if you want us to vote for this, there needs to be real cuts, real cuts, not fake cuts, not nice words, not platitudes, real cuts, and if you don't get it, we're not going to vote for that debt ceiling increase.'" [Fox Business, 5/13/11]
Allen: "This Debt Ceiling Vote is a Key Place Where We Have Leverage."At a campaign event in Staunton, Allen said: "This debt-ceiling vote is a key place where we have leverage. . . . I think it has to be coupled with truly ironclad reductions in spending. If they don't, then they're not going to get the votes. And so I look at this as a really important leverage point." [George Allen at Staunton Campaign Event, 5/2/11]
But As Senator, Allen Had No Problem Raising The Debt Ceiling 4 Times Without Spending Cuts
Allen Voted to Raise the Debt Limit Four Times.[Vote 148, 6/11/02; Vote 202, 5/23/03; Vote 213, 11/17/04; Vote 54, 3/16/06]
2006: Allen Said Vote On Debt Limit "Not An Easy Vote," But Necessary To Keep Government From Going Into Default.The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported, "On the subject of fiscal discipline, Allen acknowledged he voted Thursday to raise the federal debt ceiling to $9 trillion. 'That was not an easy vote,' he said, adding it was necessary to keep the government from going into default." [Richmond Times Dispatch, 3/19/06]
2006: Allen Said Raising The Debt Limit Was The "Responsible" Thing To Do.The Washington Times reported, "Mr. Allen said that voting to raise the debt limit was difficult, but he defended it as "responsible" to avoid higher interest rates on government bonds. [The Washington Times, 3/21/06]



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FACT CHECK: DURING ALLEN RECESSION, KAINE SHOWED STRONG MANAGEMENT OF VIRGINIA'S ECONOMY (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: DURING ALLEN RECESSION, KAINE SHOWED STRONG MANAGEMENT OF VIRGINIA'S ECONOMY

Richmond, VA - While Republican candidate George Allen highlights the number of jobs Virginia lost during the recession he helped create, numbers show Virginia fared better in economic output compared to other states under Tim Kaine than under George Allen.

Despite inheriting an economic mess George Allen helped create, Tim Kaine helped Virginia weather the worst national recession in 70 years better than most states. Kaine's leadership helped keep Virginia's unemployment below the national average, attract companies to the Commonwealth, and earn recognition from Forbes as the Best State for Business four years in a row and from CNBC as the state best poised to emerge from the recession.

In contrast, during George Allen's term as governor, Virginia's economic output was below average during the booming 90's economy, as measured by GDP.

Kaine helped Virginia weather the worst national recession in 70 years

Unemployment In Virginia Was Lower Than The National Average Under Kaine. Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show that unemployment in during the recession was consistently two to three points lower in Virginia under Governor Kaine than the national average. [BLS Unemployment Statistics]

Numerous Businesses Moved Their Headquarters To Virginia Or Expanded Their Operation During Kaine's Term. On his campaign website, Kaine states: "We recruited numerous businesses (MeadWestvaco, Hilton, CSC, SAIC, VW of North America) to move their headquarters from other states to Virginia.  We also attracted significant American and international investments such as the new Rolls Royce facility in Prince George, Swedwoodx and Com.40x in Danville, Canon in Newport News, EDS in Mecklenburg County, and Orbital Sciences on the Eastern Shore." [Kaine Campaign Website, Accessed 11/21/11]

Forbes Ranked Virginia "Best State For Business" For All Four Years Of Kaine's Term. The Virginian-Pilot reported, "Forbes.com has ranked Virginia the 'best state for business' for the fourth consecutive year, Gov. Timothy M. Kaine's office said Wednesday." [The Virginian-Pilot, 9/24/09]

Virginia Was Named Top State For Business By CNBC In 2007 And 2009.[CNBC.com, 2007, 2009]
CNBC: Virginia "Has What It Takes" To Emerge From "An Economy Turned Upside Down."CNBC reported, "It has been a year of seismic shifts in American business and in the competitive landscape. An economy turned upside-down. What state has what it takes to emerge from all that? America's top state for business 2009, Virginia." [CNBC, Street Signs, 7/23/11]
Virginia's Economy - Measured By State GDP - Performed Below The National Average Under Allen And Above The National Average Under Kaine.  According to numbers from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, Virginia's economic performance as measured by GDP was ranked 30th among the states from 1994-1998. From 2006 to 2010, Virginia ranked 17th. [Bureau of Economic Analysis]



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AS GOVERNOR, TIM KAINE WORKED IN A BIPARTISAN WAY TO RESPOND TO TRAGEDY AT VIRGINIA TECH (0.00 / 0)
AS GOVERNOR, TIM KAINE WORKED IN A BIPARTISAN WAY TO RESPOND TO TRAGEDY AT VIRGINIA TECH

Richmond, VA--Following the tragic shootings at Virginia Tech in 2007, Tim Kaine worked with then-Attorney General Bob McDonnell, legislative leaders of both parties, and public safety professionals to learn from the tragedy and implement policies that respect the Second Amendment while strengthening public safety.

Kaine Approved A Law "To Report All Involuntary Mental Health Commitments To The Database Used To Check Records Of Gun Buyers." According to the Roanoke Times, "Kaine signed legislation making permanent an executive order that requires courts to report all involuntary mental health commitments to the database used to check the criminal records of gun buyers. The law allows no distinction between individuals ordered to mental health facilities and those ordered to get outpatient treatment." [Roanoke Times, 4/10/08]

Governor Kaine Signed An Executive Order That Closed A Gun Purchase Loophole That Allows Mentally Ill Virginians To Buy Guns. "Kaine's order requires that the names of individuals who are deemed dangerous and ordered by a court to undergo outpatient mental health treatment must be reported to a federal database of those ineligible to buy firearms." Because Cho was not committed to a hospital, his mental health issues were not sent to a federal database that gun dealers use to conduct background checks. "Kaine's order clarifies that the state will make no distinction between inpatient or outpatient treatment when reporting information to the database." Bob McDonnell supported the executive order and helped Kaine's office review the state laws that convinced Kaine to issue it. [Roanoke Times, 5/1/07]

Kaine Closed A Loophole That Allowed "People Involuntarily Committed To Inpatient And Outpatient Mental Health Treatment" To Purchase Firearms. According to the Washington Post, "Gov. Timothy M. Kaine signed an executive order closing a loophole that allowed Virginia Tech shooter Seung Hui Cho to purchase firearms even though he had been declared dangerously mentally ill. Kaine (D) said he instructed state agencies to block gun sales to people involuntarily committed to inpatient and outpatient mental health treatment." [Washington Post, 5/6/07]



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FACT CHECK: FORMER NRSC CHAIR ALLEN GRASPS AT STRAWS WITH DNC ATTACK (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: FORMER NRSC CHAIR ALLEN GRASPS AT STRAWS WITH DNC ATTACK

Richmond, VA - In today's debate, George Allen, a former party committee chair, attacked Tim Kaine for serving as...a former party committee chair.

During his term as senator, George Allen accepted the post as Chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee saying he would give all his commitment to electing more Republicans. During his time as chairman, Allen traveled far and wide to places like Alaska and California, raising money and campaigning for Republicans.

As Virginians know, Kaine served Virginia for all four years of his term. And in Kaine's last year as governor when he served as chair of the DNC, Virginia was named the best state for business for the fourth year in a row and Kaine recruited companies like Hilton and SAIC to expand or relocate to the Commonwealth during the worst recession in 70 years. While Tim Kaine reduced spending by more than $5 billion during his term as governor and kept economic output above average, Virginia economic output lagged under George Allen's term in the booming 90's and he increased the Commonwealth's general fund spending by 45%.

As Senator And NRSC Chairman, Allen Said He Would Give All His Commitment To Electing More  Republicans

Allen Upon Becoming NRSC Chairman: "I'm Going To Give All My Commitment To This Cause Of Enhancing Our Majority." The Daily Press reported, "'It is exciting,' Allen said of the prospect of joining the Senate leadership. . . . The campaign committee chairmanship would increase Allen's national exposure, which already has been on the rise after less than two full years in the Senate. He has become a familiar face on the cable news networks. . . . The new position could also fuel speculation that the still-boyish-looking senator, who turned 50 this year, harbors presidential ambitions. . . . A 2008 campaign for the White House, however, assumes Allen wins re-election to his Senate seat in 2006. Allen brushed off such speculation in an interview Friday, but declined to rule out a future presidential race. 'I'm going to give all my commitment to this cause of enhancing our majority,' he said. 'The future can take care of itself.'" [Daily Press, 11/10/02]

2004: After The Election Allen Enjoyed Detailing His Travel As NRSC Chairman And Mentioned How Little He Had Been In Virginia.In a news conference after the 2004 election, Allen discussed his extensive travel as NRSC chairman. He said, "I was up in Alaska in January. They were very impressed that I went there in January as opposed to the summer. I threw a snowball at every building I went into knowing that it would stick there for months and not melt off. Without a coat you have to be invigorated! Some of you might remember my inauguration. It was warmer in Antarctica than it was in Richmond. At any rate, Alaska several times, Washington, California, South Dakota, east and west South Dakota, Missouri, Wisconsin, ranger Tim Michaels actually brought a football we threw it up and down the field at Lambeau Field there, Florida several times, Louisiana, I've been to New Orleans several times, Cajun country, North Louisiana, South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, Colorado several times, I've been a lot with our candidates. [In the future] I'll be spending a lot of time with my friends in Virginia. Again, I'm up for reelection if I'm still alive in 2006. I'll certainly be doing less national travel in that my role will not be as head of the Republican Senatorial Committee. I've loved going all around the country I've loved being with our candidates. . . . I love being in Louisiana. It's great fun for Virginia and its easy being in places like North Carolina and South Carolina. There's so many similarities. Heck I was in South Carolina and it seemed like a fifth of the people once lived in Virginia. There was even a constituent who had moved down there and had constituent service work for us to do with a waiver he needed to sign to help him out with certain projects. This is a beautiful country with wonderful people and I thoroughly enjoyed being in it but I'm looking forward to spending more time a) with my family and b) with the people of Virginia." [Allen News Conference, 11/3/04]

As Governor, Kaine Kept Economic Output Above Average, Recruited Companies Like Hilton And SAIC,  And Cut State Spending By $5 Billion During The Worst Recession In 70 Years

Virginia's Economy - Measured By State GDP - Performed Below The National Average Under Allen And Above The National Average Under Kaine.  According to numbers from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, Virginia's economic performance as measured by GDP was ranked 30th among the states from 1994-1998. From 2006 to 2010, Virginia ranked 17th. [Bureau of Economic Analysis]
Forbes Ranked Virginia "Best State For Business" For All Four Years Of Kaine's Term. The Virginian-Pilot reported, "Forbes.com has ranked Virginia the 'best state for business' for the fourth consecutive year, Gov. Timothy M. Kaine's office said Wednesday." [The Virginian-Pilot, 9/24/09]

Virginia Was Named Top State For Business By CNBC In 2007 And 2009.[CNBC.com, 2007, 2009]
CNBC: Virginia "Has What It Takes" To Emerge From "An Economy Turned Upside Down."CNBC reported, "It has been a year of seismic shifts in American business and in the competitive landscape. An economy turned upside-down. What state has what it takes to emerge from all that? America's top state for business 2009, Virginia." [CNBC, Street Signs, 7/23/11]
Kaine: Multimillion Dollar Relocation Of The Hilton Hotels Corporation Headquarters To Fairfax County, Virginia Would Create More Than 300 Permanent, Full-Time Jobs.According to a February 2009 press release issued by Kaine's office, "Governor Timothy M. Kaine today announced global hotel powerhouse Hilton Hotels Corporation will invest at least $17 million to relocate its headquarters from Beverly Hills, California, to Fairfax County, Virginia. The project will create more than 300 permanent, full-time jobs in Fairfax County within the next 36 months. Virginia successfully competed with Maryland and the District of Columbia for the project. 'Hilton is a globally recognized brand that will be a great corporate addition to Fairfax County,' Governor Kaine said. 'Adding this hospitality industry leader to the Commonwealth's list of corporate headquarters is a major coup for Virginia. I commend everyone involved in bringing Hilton to the Commonwealth.'" [Office of Governor Kaine, 2/4/09]

SAIC Moved Headquarters To McLean In 2009.According to the Virginian-Pilot, "The technology and defense contractor SAIC has moved its headquarters from San Diego to the company's McLean campus, Gov. Timothy M. Kaine announced. [...] SAIC will invest $25 million in the region and will add 1,200 jobs over the next three years, Kaine's office said. SAIC also has offices in Chesapeake, Hampton, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Suffolk and Virginia Beach. It has 45,000 employees worldwide, including 17,500 in the Washington area." [Virginian-Pilot, 9/25/09]

Richmond Times-Dispatch: "In Reality, Kaine Worked With Legislators To Cut More Than $5 Billion To Offset Dwindling Revenue And Balanced The Budget As Required By State Law." The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported, "In reality, Kaine worked with legislators to cut more than $5 billion to offset dwindling revenue and balanced the budget as required by state law." [Richmond Times-Dispatch, 4/25/12]

AP: Kaine Cut Nearly $6 Billion And Balanced The Budget. The Associated Press reported, "While the recession depleted revenues, Kaine and the General Assembly cut nearly $6 billion and never finished a fiscal year with insufficient funds..." [Associated Press, 11/10/11]

Under George Allen, Virginia's Economic Output Lagged During The Booming '90s As Allen Increased Virginia's General Fund Spending By 40%

PolitiFact: As Governor, Allen Increased Spending Over 40 Percent; His Claim That He Reined In Spending Rated "False."In September 2011, PolitiFact Virginia wrote, "His campaign web site says that when Allen was governor, 'He challenged critics and sentiment that suggested it couldn't be done, reining in government spending and substantially reducing the size of the state workforce.' . . . Allen endorsed $6 billion in additional spending when he was governor -- a 40.7 percent increase. But looking at overall spending may be unfair. Slightly more than half of outlays during Allen's years came from the non-general fund, over which a governor has limited control. The fund consists of earmarked revenues such as college tuition and federal highway grants. A better gauge comes from examining the general fund, which supports public education, health programs and public safety. It's mostly supported by state income and sales taxes. The general fund was almost $6.8 billion when Allen took office. At the end of his term, he proposed a $9.9 billion general fund budget for the fiscal year beginning July 1, 1998. That means Allen endorsed $3.1 billion in additional general fund spending when he was governor -- a 45.6.percent rise. . . . Our ruling: Allen takes credit for 'reining in state spending' when he was governor. . . . We rate the statement False." [PolitiFact Virginia, 9/12/11]



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FACT CHECK: ALLEN PEDDLES WIDELY DEBUNKED MEDICARE CLAIM (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: ALLEN PEDDLES WIDELY DEBUNKED MEDICARE CLAIM

Richmond, VA - In today's debate, George Allen yet again peddled the debunked Medicare claim that's been blasted by multiple fact checking organizations and media outlets.

After being called "recycled rubbish" by Politifact Virginia and "false" by national Politifact, George Allen's attack lands with a thud. But no amount of rhetoric can distract from the facts - George Allen is committed to putting insurance companies back in charge of the health care system, and removing the rights and protections that have expanded affordable health care options for millions of Virginians.

Allen Said "Obamacare" Is Cutting Over $500 Billion From Medicare. Responding to a question about his plans for Medicare and Social Security, Allen said, "I think we've gotta save both of them for future generations. We've got to save both programs for current and so to be and future generations that'll be eligible for it. One of the first things to do as far as Medicare is concerned is repeal Obamacare which is cutting over 500 billion dollars from it." [PWC Senior Center 6/6/12]
PolitiFact Ruled NRSC Claim That Sherrod Brown "Voted To Cut $500 Billion From Medicare" False. PolitiFact reported,"The NRSC's claim cites a real figure -- $500 billion -- that is part of the health reform debate. But it incorrectly describes it as $500 billion in Medicare cuts. . . . On the Truth-Meter, the NRSC's claim rates as False." [PolitiFact Ohio, 6/23/11]
Politifact Oregon Ruled Claim That Suzanne Bonamici "Supports The $500 Billion Cut To Medicare Passed Last Year" Was False. [PolitiFact Oregon, 11/14/11]
PolitiFact VA Rated Medicare Claim In American Crossroads' Ad "False," Calling It "Recycled Rubbish" And "An Old, Discredited Charge." PolitiFact Virginia gave American Crossroads a "False" rating for claiming in their ad "Behind" that Governor Kaine supported $500 billion in cuts to Medicare. PolitiFact described the claim as "Recycled Rubbish," and wrote, "American Crossroads GPS, a conservative advocacy group, has a new TV ad attacking Democratic Senate candidate Tim Kaine that airs an old, discredited charge. . . . But again, here's the key fact: the health care law, according to Kaiser, does not cut $500 billion from current Medicare spending. . . . The CBO projects Medicare spending will reach $929 billion in 2020, up from $499 billion in actual spending in 2009. . . . [Kaine] never called for a $500 billion cut to Medicare. We rate American Crossroad's statement False." [Politifact Virginia, 6/20/12]



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FACT CHECK: ALLEN HAS PROMISED FEDERAL PERSONHOOD LEGISLATION (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: ALLEN HAS PROMISED FEDERAL PERSONHOOD LEGISLATION

Richmond, VA - In today's debate, Tim Kaine reminded Virginia's women, families, and businesses that while he remains focused on finding common ground to create jobs, Allen is committed to bringing divisive federal personhood legislation to the U.S. Senate.

As Kaine has stated, a personhood bill wouldn't just drive a wedge between the two parties and further partisan gridlock. It could also, if successful, jeopardize the legality of some FDA approved birth control. This is not the first time Allen has opposed increased access to contraception. During his time in the Senate, Allen opposed an amendment co-sponsored by Virginia's Republican U.S. Senator John Warner that would have guaranteed contraceptive equity for women in insurance plans.

Allen Stated Support For Federal Personhood Legislation

Allen: "I Believe That Life Begins At Conception And Support Legislation Declaring The Personhood Of Every Individual Life." [George Allen Campaign Website,11/19/11]

Allen Backed Personhood At The Federal And State Levels. The Washington Post VA Politics Blog reported, "Allen backs so-called personhood legislation on conception on both the state and federal level." [Washington Post, VA Politics Blog, 3/1/12]

Allen Opposed Bipartisan Proposal To Ensure Contraception Coverage Equity
2005: Allen Voted Against An Amendment That Would Have Given Women The Same Access To Prescription Contraception That Men Have For Viagra.  In 2005, Senator Clinton offered an amendment to expand women's access to preventive health care. Her amendment would have put the Equity in Prescription Insurance and Contraceptive Coverage (EPICC) bill in place, which would have required insurance plans that cover prescription drugs like Viagra to offer equitable coverage of FDA-approved contraception. [Vote 75, 3/17/05]

2003: Allen Voted Against Sen. Warner's Measure To Improve Women's Access To Contraception. In 2003, Allen voted against an amendment that would have enacted the Equity in Prescription Insurance and Contraceptive Coverage Act of 2003 (EPICC).  EPICC required insurance plans that covered prescription drugs to also offer equitable coverage of FDA-approved contraception. The EPICC bill had previously been introduced twice by Senator Olympia Snowe, as S104 in 2001, and as S1214 in 2003.  Both bills were co-sponsored by Senator John Warner. [Vote 45, 3/11/03]
Los Angeles Times: Senate Refused To Require Health Plans To Cover Prescription Birth Control For Women In The Same Way They Cover Viagra. An editorial in the Los Angeles Times stated, "Here's what a majority of senators refused to do last week . . . * Require private health plans to cover prescription birth control for women in the same way they do other doctor-prescribed drugs, including Viagra for men. . . . * Pass a proposal to make emergency contraception -- the so-called morning-after pill -- more widely available to women who fear becoming pregnant as a result of unprotected sex, including rape. The pill prevents ovulation or, when ovulation has already occurred, can prevent fertilization or implantation in the uterus. . . . The Senate's summary rejection of Murray's contraceptive amendments, aside from its hypocrisy, also fuels fear of a broader attack on women's reproductive rights." [Editorial, Los Angeles Times, 3/19/03]

Measure Would Have Required Insurance Companies To Cover FDA-Approved Contraception Just As They Do Viagra. The Portland Press Herald reported, "CONTRACEPTION: Senators failed, 49-47, to reach 60 votes needed to add provisions on contraceptives to a bill (S 3, above) that bans 'partial-birth' abortions. A yes vote was, in part, to require health insurers to cover the 'morning-after' pill just as they do Viagra. Collins and Snowe both voted yes." [Portland Press Herald, 3/16/03]



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FACT CHECK: KAINE RECRUITED COMPANIES TO VA IN ALLEN RECESSION (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: KAINE RECRUITED COMPANIES TO VA IN ALLEN RECESSION

Richmond, VA - In today's debate, Tim Kaine discussed his success recruiting companies to relocate and bring jobs to Virginia during the recession George Allen helped create.

During his term as governor, Virginia outpaced the majority of other states in economic output due in part to Kaine's recruitment of companies to the Commonwealth. Whether it was Meadwestvaco, Hilton, CSC, SAIC, or VW of North America, Kaine had exemplary success recruiting companies to relocate or expand in the Commonwealth during the nation's worst recession in 70 years. Kaine's work to make Virginia more business friendly helped earn Virginia accolades like Forbes' Best State for Business all four years of his term.

Forbes Ranked Virginia "Best State For Business" For All Four Years Of Kaine's Term. The Virginian-Pilot reported, "Forbes.com has ranked Virginia the 'best state for business' for the fourth consecutive year, Gov. Timothy M. Kaine's office said Wednesday." [The Virginian-Pilot, 9/24/09]

Virginia Was Named Top State For Business By CNBC In 2007 And 2009.[CNBC.com, 2007, 2009]
CNBC: Virginia "Has What It Takes" To Emerge From "An Economy Turned Upside Down."CNBC reported, "It has been a year of seismic shifts in American business and in the competitive landscape. An economy turned upside-down. What state has what it takes to emerge from all that? America's top state for business 2009, Virginia." [CNBC, Street Signs, 7/23/11]
MeadWestvaco Moved Headquarters To Richmond In 2006. The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported, "The region's Fortune 500 companies include MeadWestvaco - which moved its headquarters to Greater Richmond from Stamford, Conn., last year." [Richmond Times-Dispatch, 6/24/07]

Hilton Relocated Headquarters To Fairfax County In 2009.  According to The Hotel Report,  "Hilton Hotels Corporation has opened its much-anticipated new global headquarters at Park Place in Fairfax County, Virginia. The company has relocated the main company headquarters from Beverly Hills in line with cost-cutting measures." [The Hotel Report, August 2009]

CSC Moved Corporate Headquarters To Virginia In 2008. The Washington Post reported, "Computer Sciences [Corp.], with 90,000 employees worldwide, moved its corporate headquarters this year from El Segundo, Calif., to Falls Church. The company, which does about 40 percent of its business with the government, has clients as varied as NASA, Sun Microsystems and a financial group in India. CSC has specialized in large, complex technology projects but seeks to rebrand itself as a more nimble consultancy that can also undertake smaller projects." [The Washington Post, 5/12/08]

SAIC Moved Headquarters To McLean In 2009.According to the Virginian-Pilot, "The technology and defense contractor SAIC has moved its headquarters from San Diego to the company's McLean campus, Gov. Timothy M. Kaine announced. [...] SAIC will invest $25 million in the region and will add 1,200 jobs over the next three years, Kaine's office said. SAIC also has offices in Chesapeake, Hampton, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Suffolk and Virginia Beach. It has 45,000 employees worldwide, including 17,500 in the Washington area." [Virginian-Pilot, 9/25/09]

Volkswagen Group of America Relocated Corporate Headquarters To Fairfax County In 2008. Business Wire reported, "Volkswagen Group of America Inc. relocated its corporate headquarters to Fairfax County in 2008 from Michigan." [Business Wire, 9/24/09]



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KAINE TO ALLEN: "YOU TALK LIKE A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE BUT YOU'VE NEVER GOVERNED LIKE ONE." (0.00 / 0)
KAINE TO ALLEN: "YOU TALK LIKE A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE BUT YOU'VE NEVER GOVERNED LIKE ONE."

Richmond, VA - In today's debate, Tim Kaine laid out the marked contrast in the candidates' records of fiscal stewardship. When Allen entered the Senate, the country had a balanced budget and a record surplus. Six years later, Allen departed the Senate having added trillions in new spending to the national debt and leaving massive deficits. And how did he contribute to these results? Allen voted with his party 95 percent of the time, rubberstamping every budget busting proposal and more than 52,000 earmarks that turned the country's finances upside down and drove our economy to the brink.

Allen's big spending ways weren't unique to his term in the Senate. As governor, George Allen increased spending by over 40 percent.

In contrast, Tim Kaine became the first governor in modern times to reduce the size of the general fund he inherited four years prior by cutting $5 billion in spending.

When Allen Entered The Senate, The Country Had A Balanced Budget And Record Surplus-Six Years Later, Allen Departed Having Added Trillions In New Spending And Leaving Massive Deficits

Allen Took America's Largest Budget Surplus And Turned It Into A Massive Federal Deficit. The Washington Post reported, "When Bush took office in January 2001, the government was forecasting a $5.6 trillion budget surplus between then and 2011." As CNN put it: "[T]he federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 amounted to at least $230 billion, making it the largest in U.S. history." The Washington Post continued, "Instead, it is now expecting to accumulate an extra $3 trillion in debt -- including a record $415 billion in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30." [CNN, 9/27/2000; Washington Post, 10/8/04]

As Senator, Allen Voted For Every Appropriations Bill That Came Up, Adding Over $3 Trillion To The National Debt.PolitiFact Virginia wrote, "Under the budgets approved during Allen's term, debt climbed by $3.202 trillion. Congress sets budgets through a series of appropriations bills, and Allen supported all of the roughly four dozen bills to hit the Senate floor during his term. . . . Radtke said debt increased by $3 trillion during Allen's Senate term, a figure equal to $16,000 per second. The actual figures were $3.202 trillion, or $16,896.68 per second."  [Richmond Times-Dispatch, "PolitiFact Virginia," 4/15/11]

Allen Voted With His Party 95% Of The Time, Voted For Over 52,000 Earmarks, And Every Budget Busting Proposal

CQ: George Allen Voted With Republicans 95% During Senate Career.  According to Congressional Quarterly, during his career Senator George Allen had voted with his party 95%. [Congressional Quarterly Annual Almanacs 2001-2006]

Allen Voted For Budgets That Contained 52,319 Earmarks Worth $121.8 Billion. PolitiFact reported, "Allen, as a senator, voted on the budgets from fiscal years 2002 to 2006. The 2007 budget did not pass until the end late January of that year, a few weeks after Allen left the Senate. He was defeated the previous fall by Democrat Jim Webb. The five budgets Allen voted on included 52,319 earmarks valued at $121.8 billion, according to the Citizens Against Government Waste. Hansen said that Radtke's campaign, seeking to be conservative in its claim, chopped off about 25 percent the Citizens' numbers and estimated Allen voted for 40,000 earmarks valued at $90 billion." [Politifact Virginia, 4/18/12]

Allen Voted for Every Deficit-Growing, Budget-Busting Bush Budget. [Vote 74, 3/16/06; Vote 363, 12/21/05; Vote 114, 4/28/05;  Vote 58, 3/12/04;  Vote 134, 4/11/03; Vote 98,5/10/01; Vote 86, 4/6/01]

As Governor, Allen Increased Spending By Over 40 Percent

PolitiFact: As Governor, Allen Increased Spending Over 40 Percent; His Claim That He Reined In Spending Rated "False."In September 2011, PolitiFact Virginia wrote, "His campaign web site says that when Allen was governor, 'He challenged critics and sentiment that suggested it couldn't be done, reining in government spending and substantially reducing the size of the state workforce.' . . . Allen endorsed $6 billion in additional spending when he was governor -- a 40.7 percent increase. But looking at overall spending may be unfair. Slightly more than half of outlays during Allen's years came from the non-general fund, over which a governor has limited control. The fund consists of earmarked revenues such as college tuition and federal highway grants. A better gauge comes from examining the general fund, which supports public education, health programs and public safety. It's mostly supported by state income and sales taxes. The general fund was almost $6.8 billion when Allen took office. At the end of his term, he proposed a $9.9 billion general fund budget for the fiscal year beginning July 1, 1998. That means Allen endorsed $3.1 billion in additional general fund spending when he was governor -- a 45.6.percent rise. . . . Our ruling: Allen takes credit for 'reining in state spending' when he was governor. . . . We rate the statement False." [PolitiFact Virginia, 9/12/11]

As Governor, Kaine Became The First Governor In Modern Times To Reduce The Size Of The General Fund

Kaine's Outgoing Budget Proposed Two Percent Less General Fund Spending Than The Budget He Inherited. Kaine inherited a General Fund budget of $15,111,251,632 for FY2006. As he left office, Kaine proposed a General Fund budget of $14,806,626,205 for FY2011. [Department Of Planning and Budget, General Fund FY2006; Kaine 2010-2012 Budget Document, 12/19/09]

1993: Allen Promised To Cut The Budget By Two Percent In Order To Pay For His Campaign Proposals. In October 1993, the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported that "Republican George F. Allen said yesterday his proposals to end parole, share lottery profits with localities and settle a pension suit with federal and military retirees would cost the state $300 million over the next biennium.  The front-running candidate for governor said he could pay for those new programs by cutting the state's $30 billion budget by 2 percent -- a savings of $600 million... In putting a price tag on his promises, Allen did not address how he would pay off the entire $500 million budget shortfall that Wilder has projected. He has said it could be done by rearranging spending priorities." [Richmond Times-Dispatch, 10/21/93]

AP: Kaine Cut Nearly $6 Billion And Balanced The Budget. The Associated Press reported, "While the recession depleted revenues, Kaine and the General Assembly cut nearly $6 billion and never finished a fiscal year with insufficient funds..." [Associated Press, 11/10/11]



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FACT CHECK: ALLEN KNOWS A THING ABOUT SKYROCKETING HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: ALLEN KNOWS A THING ABOUT SKYROCKETING HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS

Richmond, VA - In today's debate, Tim Kaine went on the offensive on health care reminding Virginians that they gave George Allen a chance to do something about rising health care costs and he not only fell short, he made it worse.

During Allen's six-year term, 8.6 million more Americans became uninsured and premiums increased by 78 percent. Why would another term be any different?

Between 2000 And 2006, Average Health Insurance Premiums For Families Went Up 78%. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the average annual premium for employer-sponsored family health care coverage was $6,438 in 2000 and $11,480 in 2006. [Kaiser Family Foundation, Employer Health Benefits 2011 Annual Survey]

During Allen's Term In The Senate, 8.6 Million More People Became Uninsured. In 2000, the number of uninsured individuals in the U.S. was 36,586,000. In 2006, it was 45,214,000.["Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage In The United States: 2010," Census.gov, September 2011]



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FACT CHECK: "LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT SETTING PRIORITIES" (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: "LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT SETTING PRIORITIES"

Richmond, VA - In today's Virginia Bar Association Debate, George Allen said "Leadership is about setting priorities." We couldn't agree more. But as governor and as senator, George Allen's priorities were to make the largest cuts to student aid in history, balloon the country's deficit, vote for trillions in new debt, and vote against veterans' benefits.

GEORGE ALLEN'S "PRIORITY" WAS TO VOTE FOR LARGEST CUT TO STUDENT LOANS IN HISTORY

College Tuition Rose By Over 40% During Allen's Term In The Senate. The average published tuition and fees as measured in in constant 2011 dollars increased by 40.49% for public, 4-year institutions from 2000-2007. The price was $4586 for the 2000-2001 school year and $6443 for the 2006-2007 school year, representing a 40.49% increase. [Trends In College Pricing 2011, College Board].

2005: Allen Was Critical Vote for Largest Student Loan Cuts in History. Allen voted for the final version of the 2005 budget reconciliation bill, which cut $12.7 billion from college loans, the largest cuts to the student loan program in its history.  The measure was approved 50-50, with the Vice President voting to break the tie.  [Vote 363, 12/21/05, CQ Floor Votes; AP, 12/19/05; Washington Post, 12/19/05]

AP: "The Student Loan Program Would Endure The Largest Cut In Its History." The AP reported, "As Congress moves to slash $40 billion in spending, no program will take a bigger hit than college loans, where almost $13 billion would be cut over five years. . . . [O]verall, the student loan program would endure the largest cut in its history, and most of the money would not be pumped back into education." [AP, 12/19/05]

GEORGE ALLEN'S "PRIORITY" WAS TO INCREASE SPENDING
PolitiFact: As Governor, Allen Increased Spending Over 40 Percent; His Claim That He Reined In Spending Rated "False." In September 2011, PolitiFact Virginia wrote, "His campaign web site says that when Allen was governor, 'He challenged critics and sentiment that suggested it couldn't be done, reining in government spending and substantially reducing the size of the state workforce.' . . . Allen endorsed $6 billion in additional spending when he was governor -- a 40.7 percent increase. But looking at overall spending may be unfair. Slightly more than half of outlays during Allen's years came from the non-general fund, over which a governor has limited control. The fund consists of earmarked revenues such as college tuition and federal highway grants. A better gauge comes from examining the general fund, which supports public education, health programs and public safety. It's mostly supported by state income and sales taxes. The general fund was almost $6.8 billion when Allen took office. At the end of his term, he proposed a $9.9 billion general fund budget for the fiscal year beginning July 1, 1998. That means Allen endorsed $3.1 billion in additional general fund spending when he was governor -- a 45.6.percent rise. . . . Our ruling: Allen takes credit for 'reining in state spending' when he was governor. . . . We rate the statement False." [PolitiFact Virginia, 9/12/11]

Allen Was Elected "On A Promise To Reduce The Size And Cost Of Government," But His Farewell Budget Was "The Largest Ever In Virginia." In December 1997, the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported: "Gov. George Allen, elected four years ago on a promise to reduce the size and cost of state government, yesterday unveiled a record farewell budget fattened by almost $ 4 billion and proposed spending nearly every nickel of it. At $ 40 billion, Allen's two-year budget - the largest ever in Virginia includes unprecedented increases in public school aid as well as almost $ 350 million in tax cuts for Virginians. Allen left only $12 million unappropriated." The Times-Dispatch noted that Allen was "readying for a run in three years for the U.S. Senate." [Richmond Times-Dispatch, 12/20/97]

GEORGE ALLEN'S "PRIORITY" WAS TO CUT VETERANS HEALTH CARE

2006: Allen Voted Against Measure To Increase TRICARE Funding And Block Fee And Co-Payment Increases. In 2006, Allen voted against an amendment that would have put more money into Tricare, and would have blocked a Bush administration proposal to raise fees and co-payments for younger retirees on Tricare. The amendment would have been paid for by closing tax loopholes. Republicans DeWine and Chafee voted for the amendment, which failed 46-53. Allen voted no. [Roll Call Vote No. 67, 3/16/06]

Amendment Allen Opposed Would Have Closed Tax Loopholes And Raised $10.4 Billion For TRICARE And Blocked Bush Proposal To Increase Tricare Fees. The Navy Times reported, "Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., offered an amendment that would have blocked a Bush administration proposal to increase health care fees and co-payments for military retirees under age 65 who are covered by Tricare, but that amendment was defeated by a 53-46 vote. Kerry's amendment would have closed tax loopholes to raise $10.4 billion over five years as an alternative to increasing Tricare fees for younger retirees." [Navy Times, 3/27/06]3/14/06; Spokesman-Review, 3/15/06]

2005: Allen Rejected $500 Million a Year for Vets' Mental Health Care. In November 2005, Allen killed a proposal to provide an additional $500 million a year over five years for veterans' mental health services, to be offset by rolling back tax cuts for millionaires. [Vote 343, 11/17/05]



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FACT CHECK: KAINE CUT PAY, ALLEN VOTED TO RAISE OWN PAY WHILE RACKING UP DEBT (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: KAINE CUT PAY, ALLEN VOTED TO RAISE OWN PAY WHILE RACKING UP DEBT

Richmond, VA - In today's debate, Virginia voters were reminded that in the depths of the recession George Allen helped create, Tim Kaine made more than $5 billion in tough spending cuts to balance the budget, including a reduction to his own pay. In contrast, while George Allen voted to raise his own pay as Senator while voting to add more than $3 trillion to the national debt.

As Governor, Kaine Made $5 Billion In Spending Cuts, Including His Own Pay To Balance The Budget

As Governor, Kaine Cut His Salary By 5%. The Roanoke times reported, "Outgoing Gov. Tim Kaine also cut his $175,000 salary by 5 percent and curbed other expenses in his office while dealing with budget shortfalls." [The Roanoke Times, 1/6/10]

AP: Kaine Cut Nearly $6 Billion And Balanced The Budget. The Associated Press reported, "While the recession depleted revenues, Kaine and the General Assembly cut nearly $6 billion and never finished a fiscal year with insufficient funds..." [Associated Press, 11/10/11]

Richmond Times-Dispatch: "In Reality, Kaine Worked With Legislators To Cut More Than $5 Billion To Offset Dwindling Revenue And Balanced The Budget As Required By State Law." The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported, "In reality, Kaine worked with legislators to cut more than $5 billion to offset dwindling revenue and balanced the budget as required by state law." [Richmond Times-Dispatch, 4/25/12]

As Senator, Allen Voted To Give Himself A Pay Raise Four Times While Adding $3 Trillion To The National Debt

Four Times, Allen Voted To Give Himself A Pay Raise.  Since 2001, Allen has voted to give himself a pay raise at least four times. [Vote 406, 10/23/03; Vote 410, 10/23/03; AP, 10/23/03; Vote 242, 11/13/02; AP, 11/13/02; Vote 360, 12/7/01]

As Senator, Allen Voted For Every Appropriations Bill That Came Up, Adding Over $3 Trillion To The National Debt.PolitiFact Virginia wrote, "Under the budgets approved during Allen's term, debt climbed by $3.202 trillion. Congress sets budgets through a series of appropriations bills, and Allen supported all of the roughly four dozen bills to hit the Senate floor during his term. . . . Radtke said debt increased by $3 trillion during Allen's Senate term, a figure equal to $16,000 per second. The actual figures were $3.202 trillion, or $16,896.68 per second."  [Richmond Times-Dispatch, "PolitiFact Virginia," 4/15/11]



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FACT CHECK: ALLEN VOTED AGAINST CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS (0.00 / 0)
FACT CHECK: ALLEN VOTED AGAINST CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS

Richmond, VA -  In today's Virginia Bar Association Debate, George Allen said "I am for criminal records checks," in the purchase of firearms. This could not be further from the truth. As senator, George Allen voted against the amendment to require background checks on sales of firearm purchases at events of sale and during the exchange of firearms.

2004: Allen Opposed Requiring Background Checks on Firearms. In 2004, Allen voted against a proposal requiring criminal background checks on all firearms transactions that occurred at events that provided a venue for the sale, offer for sale, transfer, or exchange of firearms. [Vote 25, 3/2/04]



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Video Flashback: George Allen in happier days for him. LOL (0.00 / 0)

See Allen at 50 seconds in...

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More fun video, including the classic "soft teeth/whining throats" line (0.00 / 0)


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CLEAR DISTINCTIONS EMERGE BETWEEN KAINE AND ALLEN IN VBA DEBATE (0.00 / 0)
CLEAR DISTINCTIONS EMERGE BETWEEN KAINE AND ALLEN IN VBA DEBATE

Allen's Push for Continued Gridlock Contrasts with Kaine's Common Ground Approach on Economy

Richmond, VA - At today's Virginia Bar Association debate, Tim Kaine offered a clear vision of working across party lines to strengthen our economy, create jobs, and responsibly reduce the deficit.  George Allen, meanwhile, offered a return to the policies of yesterday that helped create our economic mess and foster gridlock and partisanship in our politics.

"Today's debate offered Virginians a clear choice," said Kaine for Virginia Communications Director Brandi Hoffine. "Tim Kaine will work to bring people together to strengthen the economy and tackle tomorrow's challenges, while George Allen will return to the same ideas and partisan attitude that helped create a fiscal and economic mess. Virginians can't afford to go back to George Allen's approach. They want a leader like Tim Kaine who will help move our economy forward.

"The contrast on key issues of the day is obvious: when it comes to solving our fiscal challenges, Tim Kaine balanced Virginia's budget, cut $5 billion in spending, and reduced his pay. George Allen grew Virginia's and our nation's budgets, took our country from record surpluses to massive deficits, voted four times as Senator to increase his pay, and voted four times to raise the debt ceiling. And during today's debate, Allen doubled down on his all cuts approach, rejecting even a ten-to-one cuts-to revenue deficit reduction deal. This shows George Allen would be willing to cripple Virginia's economy just to keep his pledge to Washington lobbyist Grover Norquist.

"When it comes to strengthening our economy, Tim Kaine has offered proposals that will level the playing field for small businesses, invest in infrastructure to create jobs, and make our nation more competitive by strengthening education and workforce training.  George Allen has called for a return to the same failed policies of tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and big oil companies, has repeatedly belittled the industries of the future like clean energy, and has promised to bring divisive issues to Washington, like federal personhood legislation, which could outlaw abortion and some forms of contraception.  

"And, when it comes to working across the aisle to deliver solutions for families and businesses, Tim Kaine has promised to be a willing partner with both parties in the Senate and all future presidents, regardless of party affiliation. George Allen has run a campaign to pit Virginians against the Commander-in-Chief and prevent compromise. At every turn in today's debate, Allen slammed President Obama. And when given an opportunity, George Allen was unable to name a single point on which he differed from Mitt Romney and the Republican Party line, proving Tim Kaine's point that George Allen is incapable of working across party lines if re-elected to the U.S. Senate

"Despite his best attempts to remake his image into one of a bipartisan bridge-builder, and someone with the solutions to get the economy back on track, George Allen made clear today that he has no new answers to our challenges and is the same partisan Virginians have known for decades. Tim Kaine repeatedly exposed George Allen's say-one-thing-do-another approach on spending, his reliance on economic proposals that made our economy weaker, not stronger, and his thinly veiled attempt to pander to voters by attempting to claim the mantle of bipartisanship despite all evidence to the contrary.

"It's clear - George Allen's re-election campaign is just a rehash of an agenda Virginians have already rejected, while Tim Kaine has the approach and the record to tackle tomorrow's challenges."



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BIPARTISANSHIP? ALLEN HAS ATTACKED SENATORS HE CLAIMED TO WORK WITH (0.00 / 0)
BIPARTISANSHIP? ALLEN HAS ATTACKED SENATORS HE CLAIMED TO WORK WITH

During today's Senate debate, George Allen continued his attempted transformation into a bipartisan leader, as opposed to the harsh partisan he has been throughout his career. He even attempted to link himself to Democrats Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, citing work they did during his previous term in the U.S. Senate.

During the debate, Allen said of Hillary Clinton:

"In the U.S. Senate, you mentioned Hillary - or Senator Clinton at the time - now Secretary of State, we actually went together..."

And regarding John Kerry, Allen said:

"John Kerry and I really don't agree on many issues but we did agree on Wi-Fi. There's other Senators who rarely agree, but we work together..."

But what did Allen have to say about Clinton and Kerry while serving alongside them?

Allen On Hillary Clinton: "She's So, So Contrary To All Of Our Values, Our Principles And Our Ideals." The Seattle Post-Intelligencer (WA) wrote, "Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's celebrity and fund-raising flair has turned her into the Senate's top money machine, winning her friends and clout with Democratic colleagues. Clinton's background as a first lady who carved out her own political career, her legacy in the White House and her potential as a presidential candidate give her an unusual knack for raising money. Ironically, Republicans also are cashing in on Clinton's prominence, using her name in pleas for donations to ward off a second Clinton in the White House... Sen. George Allen, chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee, who invokes anti-Clinton pleas to raise money for his party, says she is good fodder for his solicitations because she evokes such strong emotions from her foes. 'She's so, so contrary to all of our values, our principles and our ideals,' said Allen of Virginia. 'We need to make sure that our grass-roots donors recognize that we're going to need their generosity and their contributions to offset all that big fund raising that Hillary gets from the liberals.'" [Seattle Post-Intelligencer (WA), 6/21/03]

Allen On John Kerry: He's An "Elite Massachusetts Liberal" Who Does Not Embrace "The Values We Hold Dear In The Commonwealth Of Virginia."Washington Post reported, "[Allen] ridiculed Sen. John F. Kerry, the Democratic nominee, as an 'elite Massachusetts liberal' who does not embrace 'the values we hold dear in the commonwealth of Virginia.'"[Washington Post, 8/10/04]



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Political analyst Bob Denton: Kaine won the debate (0.00 / 0)


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Please explain why this "victory" is not Phyrric (0.00 / 0)
Please forgive a jaded Chicago perspective, but I am at a total loss in understanding how in the hell this exercise benefits Tim Kaine more than it helps George Allen.  

Until proven otherwise, I am working from the presumption that 2012 voter responses are driven by mass media, not by the Virginia ABA.  Therefore, this "debate" at the Homestead will have no direct impact on voters.  At best, it may have an indirect impact through editorial board endorsements (where they will be only one element in a complex calculus, which will include corporate interests) or through partisan blogs.

If that analysis is correct (and I am sincerely interested in alternative - more optimistic - views), then this experience will be used by the Allen camp either as debate prep for debates that will be televised (giving him better responses now that he knows what our candidate will say), or even worse, as an excuse to limit or even avoid future debates (no that they know they will lose) on the pretext that this "traditional" exchange is sufficient.

One of the signal strengths of our candidate is that he is light-years smarter than his opponent. The campaign should seek to demonstrate that in venues that are visible to the average voter (or at least available for capture and dissemination to those not physically at the Homestead). In the modern world, this Homestead event is at best like the proverbial tree that falls in the forest with nobody hearing it.  At worst, it gives our opponent an opportunity to prepare better for an exchange that really matters.  

So, again, please explain to me why this was a "victory?" Are we guaranteed that there will be a significant number of public debates in which these results will be repeated?  Is there any reason why this "blacked out" debate, which conveys an advantage to Allen, needed to come first?  


It was a victory because Kaine kicked Allen's butt. (0.00 / 0)
It's really not that complicated. Now, the question is whether Kaine can keep kicking Allen's butt in future debates, presumably broadcast. My guess, based on this debate, is that he will, and to the extent that debates matter in campaigns, it will help Kaine defeat Allen. Again, it's not particularly complicated. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar. :)

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BTW, you prompted me to look up "Pyrrhic victory" (0.00 / 0)
Here's the definition:
A Pyrrhic victory (/ˈpɪrɪk/) is a victory with such a devastating cost that it carries the implication that another such victory will ultimately lead to defeat. Someone who wins a "Pyrrhic victory" has been victorious in some way; however, the heavy toll or the detrimental consequences negates any sense of achievement or profit. There is, therefore, no reason to celebrate.

In no way, shape, or form was Tim Kaine's victory yesterday over George Allen "Pyrrhic." At worst, it was irrelevant, given the fact that almost nobody saw it. Along those lines, perhaps the following saying is relevant: "if a tree falls in a forest and nobody's there to hear it, does it make a sound?" But definitely not "Pyrrhic," as Kaine did absolutely nothing to damage himself going forward, and numerous things that could help him.

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Point taken. (0.00 / 0)
Phyrric was indeed a late-night overstatement - the tree in the forest is more apt.  

The main danger is that Allen now knows what line Tim Kaine will take in the public debates and therefore may be more prepared.   A cost, perhaps, but not devastating.  

Have the plans for the future public debates been finalized?  Could someone post them?

Thanks.  


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To my knowledge, future debate plans have NOT been finalized (0.00 / 0)
mainly because Allen hasn't agreed yet. Since he loves football analogies, maybe he's holding out for more draft picks, a couple new offensive linesmen to protect him, or better helmets and pads (for when he gets pounded by Kaine the next time)? Heh.

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