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Send in the Clowns: Iowa Caucuses are a Sick Joke (and a Waste of Our Time)

by: KathyinBlacksburg

Mon Jan 02, 2012 at 10:36:41 AM EST


I have no predictions about the Iowa Caucuses because they do not matter, not to me, and not to the matter of who will win the GOP nomination.  Tradition notwithstanding, the Iowa Caucuses are one of the biggest bad jokes ever foisted upon Americans.  An atypical electorate (Iowa Caucus goers are considerably more conservative than the population as a whole, even in Iowa) is so unrepresentative of Americans that it almost unAmerican to vest Iowa with so much clout in our electoral process. But here we are again, with the supposed Republican "presidentials" giving Iowans far more attention than nearly any other state gets. And nowhere else, but Iowa and New Hampshire do the candidates go door-to-door, routinely drop by diners in towns of any minor consequence and give voters such access. They give that kind of attention to voters who would turn on a dime.  It would be laughable, as this article suggests, if it weren't so undemocratic.  Send in the clowns (again).

If the Iowa caucuses have ever gotten it "right" (defined by voting for the one who actually got elected), prior to 2008, you had to go all the way back to 1976 to find Iowa predictive, in a Democratic caucus, not a GOP one. So bereft of any thinking capacity or any real conviction, person-on-the-street interviewees (and opinion poll responders) cannot make up their minds.  They claim to be values voters and yet have so little conviction they keep moving their support with each new gust of political wind. As just one example, read the rationale in the article I link above.  Yeh, I know, a single case does not an electorate make.  But polling shows how very malleable are the Iowa voters who warm up to one and then another and then another candidate in a manner only ditzes would.  Anyone can change his or her mind and do so reasonably--no question about that.  BUT, this year Iowa has brought new meaning to the word "indecision."  They are indecision on steroids.  When that happens, voters no longer shape their own vote.

Essentially, the media are in charge and Iowa caucus goers are only too happy to dumb it up for them and allow the so-called mainstream media to influence them.  Of course, they are then more susceptible to negative ads as well.

KathyinBlacksburg :: Send in the Clowns: Iowa Caucuses are a Sick Joke (and a Waste of Our Time)
Which brings me to another point. If the media are in charge, why feed them with our paying attention? Please, join me in NOT watching any of them the next couple for days, while they try to feed their overblown egos and their sponsors' wallets.

But perhaps the worst thing about the caucus is how they are run. Unlike voters in a voting booth, you have to publicly chose which side of the room you will stand on and face pressure both social and sometimes physical over your decision. Where else does peer pressure play so visible a role and personal decison-making so little? In previous years caucus goers have gotten downright pushy (in a literal sense). The voting context should be the opposite.  What wouldn't be tolerated in primaries is OK at the Iowa Caucuses.

But it is worse than that. There has been  considerable mischief regarding the locations of the caucuses, some of which are in homes. During the 2004 Democratic Caucus in Iowa, shenanigans included the last-minute moving of locations so supporters of a certain candidate (Howard Dean) could not find them.

In numerous ways the Iowa Caucuses make a mockery of the democratic process. It makes one wonder how we dare lecture other countries about "spreading democracy." So, this week, I'll take my news online and bypass caucus-related articles in the so-called MSM. And I'll stop tuning in in the future unless and until we have a more equitable and democratic process.  

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How dare you (0.00 / 0)
Are you saying that elderly white rural christians do not represent the electorate, which is increasingly majority urban/suburban,  increasingly non-white, increasingly non-christian and increasingly not old?  

Sounds like blasphemy to me.  


hahahha! (0.00 / 0)
You betcha!

There's nothing in the middle of the road except yellow stripes and dead armadillos (Jim Hightower). PS I'm on Twitter here.

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The Republican caucus doesn't work like the Democratic caucus (0.00 / 0)
It's essentially a straw poll: caucusgoers are given a blank piece of paper and they can vote for whomever they want. Candidate supporters can speak in favor of their candidate beforehand, but there's no requirement that voters say who they're supporting.

Also:

"If the Iowa caucuses have ever gotten it "right" (defined by voting for the one who actually got elected), it was only once-in 1976, in a Democratic caucus, not a GOP one."

Barack Obama would disagree with you on that one.


Yes. (0.00 / 0)
Should have said that prior to 2008, you had to go back to 1976 to find a predictive caucus.

BTW, as you can tell by my post, I am still smarting from the 2004 caucuses.  I can handle losing.  I cannot and will not accept dirty tricks.  And I cannot accept an inherently undemocratic system, which gives the first two states too much say in who goes forward in the 2012 race.

Someone else commented about the GOP caucuses being handled differently.  I did hear that as well.  It is ironic that an entirely undemocratic party, the GOP, could potentially run a more democratic caucus than Iowa Dems have often done, esp in 2004.

There's nothing in the middle of the road except yellow stripes and dead armadillos (Jim Hightower). PS I'm on Twitter here.


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PS I reworded the diary to (0.00 / 0)
clarify the 2008 point.

There's nothing in the middle of the road except yellow stripes and dead armadillos (Jim Hightower). PS I'm on Twitter here.

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Flakier than usual (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't sure if it was my imagination, but I have thought the Republican base has been flakier than usual this year - and that's saying a lot.  Every candidate, except the one sane sounding one, Jon Huntsman, has been flavor of the week, especially in Iowa, where the GOP voters seem to change their mind with every candidate they hear.  And each of the candidates are competing to outdo the other in the craziness sweepstakes.  I mean, Ron Paul?  Really?

And Kathy hits the nail on the head about the Iowa caucus system.  The most central feature of a true democratic process is the secret ballot, which ensures that each voter can vote their conscience in the privacy of the voting booth, free from harassment or coercion.  In the caucus system in Iowa that is turned completely on its head.

The system is a lame joke that has gone on for far too long because it provides the media with a 12 month circus.  Well, so did bear baiting in the 16th Century and the real Roman circuses, where they threw gladiators into rings to fight to the death for the entertainment of the crowd.

Iowa can do better.  The citizens of Iowa deserve a real democratic system that doesn't make a joke of the electoral process.  And if they want to keep their "first in the nation status," so does the American people deserve more from them.



Correction to what I wrote above... (3.00 / 1)
I think Johnny Longtorso is right about the difference with the GOP caucus system and the Democratic one.  The Republicans indeed do use a secret ballot process, where you do not have to declare for a candidate publicly, so I wish to correct what I wrote above.  That still remains a criticism of the way the Democratic caucus was run - every voter should have access to a secret ballot, free from the threat of harassment.  

Kathy's main point, however, that Iowa has been given outsize importance and is not truly representative of mainstream voters remains valid.  

Iowa is still 91 percent white and is largely rural in a nation rapidly becoming more urban and more diverse.  In the Iowa GOP, the social conservatives and Evangelicals have an outsize influence, where in the general U.S. population, they consistently compose only 25 percent of the populace.

None of this is meant to criticize Iowa, but the amount of media attention given to the Iowa race is simply not proportional to their actual influence or significance.


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Let the hand-wringing ensue (0.00 / 0)
Santorum's last minute rise is really not all that surprising. Iowa's GOP caucus has always been and shall always be a political anomaly. The people who participate are disproportionately extreme right wing hyper-religious conservatives, and therefore are not a useful indicator of the general Republican voting population.

Sanctimonious chest-thumpers often perform well in Iowa's caucus, only to flame out when other states have their more democratically-run primary elections.

Of course, the alternatives are between an isolationism and anarchy-promoting conspiracy theorist, a master flip-flopper (who happens to be ... gasp ... a Mormon), a repeat adulterer and self-serving financial opportunist, a buffoon governor from Texas (part deux), and a dim-witted Minnesotan with a poor grip on reality.   GOP voters will no doubt engage in a fair amount of hand-wringing in the next few months.


I imagine that there (0.00 / 0)
will be much of that (hand-wringing).  Right now I am enjoying the Gingrich posturing regarding the Virginia ballot.  But I am not totally sanguine about even the most absurd GOP choices.  For example, the thought of Calista Gingrich as First Lady ought to give anyone nightmares.

There's nothing in the middle of the road except yellow stripes and dead armadillos (Jim Hightower). PS I'm on Twitter here.

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Not that I think Newt can beat President Obama. (0.00 / 0)
But I would rather at least have sane a candidate from the other side, which disqualifies everyone but Huntsman, though I really do not like his positions either.  The stakes are too high. Every day in every way, the President looks far better than the alternatives.


There's nothing in the middle of the road except yellow stripes and dead armadillos (Jim Hightower). PS I'm on Twitter here.

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Huntsman's name keeps coming up (0.00 / 0)
and I am beginning to hear subterranean tremors from the investor class that Huntsman may be the last man/person standing, and would be a good compromise anti-Mitt candidate (their common Mormonism notwithstanding). They are pointing out that he is really very very conservatives, correct on guns and corporations, and was a very popular, job-creating governor in Utah. Will a Huntsman boomlet sponsored by The Establishment be next, ater Iowa?

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Zero chance of that, but... (0.00 / 0)
...pretty funny though if this "investor class" really believes that!  LOL

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On Intrade (0.00 / 0)
Hunstman is currently at a 3.3% chance of winning the Republican nomination (see here). That compares to 79.5% for Willard "Mitt" Romney, 6.0% for Newt Gingrich, 3.5% for Ron Paul, and 3.0% for Rick Santorum.  In other words, Willard's the overwhelming favorite to be the Republican nominee, with no other candidate even remotely close.

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You forgot (0.00 / 0)
the Opus Dei hardline papist from Pennsylvania who actually hasn't lived in that state for many years, even when he was a Senator from there.

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Caucus process is deeply undemocratic (0.00 / 0)
The whole idea that you have to go to a place and hang around until a certain point means that you are disenfranchising the sick, the people who have to work during the caucus, students who must study, etc. They should be abolished.

Yet I can see why local political leaders love it. It is so easy to rig under normal circumstances. In some cases, when you have more active people running, it becomes harder to fake results. Which is part of the reason why the Iowan GOP is so upset with the scenario of Ron Paul winning.

For Iowa, I want Ron Paul to win, just so that I can see him ignored by the media; for the lulz. There no is danger in him becoming the nominee, and his winning Iowa will make the charade more interesting.  


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