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Do Deficit Hawks Have a Point? 2010 Campaign, Part I

by: Teddy Goodson

Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 12:43:53 PM EDT


As always, the Republicans, rather than the Democrats, are establishing the issues for the 2010 campaigns, and so far two are emerging. Expect another huge, tiresome and perhaps violent uproar over health care, which may, however, burn itself out over the summer as a result of over-use during hearings on the new nominee to the Supreme Court, whoever that might be. Or, a black swan may trigger another flash point (immigration? volcano? Iran?)  

The other firestorm will probably be the national debt and all that can go with it: both budget and trade deficits, the debt itself, inflation, entitlements like Social Security and Medicare, decline of the dollar, and so on. This is, in many ways, a far more serious challenge than health care because it is part of a broad philosophical attack on "big government" and has a compelling narrative to tell, one which is alarming, based on historical data and a well-established economic theory.  Moreover, Republican data and graphs have a "truthiness"convincing to many, including some economists. How so?

Teddy Goodson :: Do Deficit Hawks Have a Point? 2010 Campaign, Part I
Conservatives and libertarians do not believe the recovery being touted by President Obama is real. They believe (with good reason) the true unemployment figure is pushing 17+ percent, higher even in some regions, pointing out that employers still keep shedding jobs, which offsets new job creation---- hardly a sign of recovery. They say seemingly hopeful statistics one month are revised downward the next month, or wiped out by declines later, just as, for example, the consumer credit rebound in January disappeared in February. They contend the recovery will collapse, and a second downleg to a deeper recession will begin. Not content with constant grumbling, they try to make this a self-fulfilling prophecy by hammering away at undermining the confidence of business and by destroying public trust through endlessly repeating their points, among which are:

*The Bush tax cuts are ending, so small businesses face higher taxes which means they cannot afford to hire workers;

*Real estate (usually a leading indicator) is not recovering, there are over 6 million more home foreclosures coming and

*Commercial real estate is heading into a bust as big or bigger than what we saw in residential, all of which will trigger

*Higher unemployment which will bring  the banking industry to its knees, according to a report from the impeccable Elizabeth Warren (Head of the Congressional Oversight Panel);

*Our trade deficit continues, we are not selling enough abroad so we borrow to pay for imports;

*We have to borrow to pay for our domestic expenses as well since tax receipts are down;
       *Foreigners, previously eager to snap up our treasuries, have begun to shun buying them, so "unnamed" investors have bought them at recent auctions, which really means that the Fed itself is doing so;

*This effectively monetizes the debt, leading inevitably to inflation;

*Rating agencies have hinted they may lower America's high credit rating, which means we will have to pay far higher interest rates, another expense we cannot afford;

*Foreign nations are beginning to default on their own sovereign debt, necessitating more bailouts which will adversely affect America's economy; the fact that the dollar is the world's reserve currency is the only reason we have been able to continue selling our treasuries so easily, and yet

*The dollar's reign is coming to an end (China and Russia both are setting up non-dollar denominated international trade agreements), and this will be another factor forcing us to pay higher interest rates.... and all this is just for starters.

*Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, veterans, and pensions are "contingent liabilities" amounting to about $108 trillion over and above the official national debt

*Add in state and local government debt of some $3 trillion, and our total, all-inclusive national debt is over $123.6 trillion

You can see the national debt clock for yourself: (http://www.usdebtclock.org/), When I checked it was over $12.797 trillion, or 89.3 percent of U.S. Gross Domestic Product. That is over $41,400 per person, or, more significantly, over $116,500 per taxpayer (many Americans do not pay any income tax, which galls libertarians no end----- neither do many companies, like GE, but that's another story).

The conservatives also maintain that the health care bill results in immediate costs to both individuals and employers, and that any potential savings are smoke and mirrors, not even projected to show up for several years, if ever. The health care bill has no cost controls, they contend, and already the insurance companies are jacking up premiums because they will have to cover pre-existing conditions and they will need the money to do so. The GOP party line is that hitting employers and taxpayers with increased expenses at this point in the recession will just be another reason the recovery, "if it even exists," will be aborted.  

All this creates quite a narrative.  It is based on a mix of some real and some partially truncated facts, along with some (occasionally questionable or partial) statistics, and it leaves out other factors, so the picture is not complete.... But it sounds compelling, especially to average citizens, particularly when it is repeated endlessly by politicians, think tanks, self-appointed worryworts, and professional pessimists.

Every few years American politics cycles through another spasm of budget crises. I even remember President Harry S. Truman, a Democrat, once sent a national budget back to the Hill in the 1940's after World War II  to be pared down; he said Congress wanted to spend too much money. We all know President Clinton, also a Democrat, was talked into forgoing campaign promises in order to create an actual budget surplus after the deliberate spending-plus-tax cuts of Reagan and Bush I, Republicans.

Now, ten years later, here comes another round of hysteria about the national debt.  Thanks to the profligacy of Bush II, also a Republican, the Clinton surplus was destroyed, and Obama, another Democrat, faced the necessity of dealing with an inherited, job-killing economic meltdown.  He had to continue Bush II's bailout of the financial sector, and he then applied deficit spending as a Keynesian stimulus to jump start the collapsing economy.  The recent pattern here would seem to be that Republicans run up budget deficits while cutting taxes, then demand Democrats reduce said deficit---- and yet somehow the Democrats are the ones with the reputation of being the big spenders (who also raise taxes).

It is true that this time the Democrat Obama  had to create the stimulus, adding to the deficits handed to him by Bush II for the simple reason that there was no other way to save the economy from falling into the abyss.  Our overall economic position is by no means as solid as during earlier times of deficit financing, thanks in no small measure to ongoing globalization which eviscerated American jobs, and Bush II's double war whammy plus an unpaid-for prescription benefit combined with his huge tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.  

Some commentators are even saying America is in a dangerous bind that undermines not just our power, but our democratic capitalist system.  Yes, the "real economy" on Main Street (versus the paper economy of Wall Street) has not yet recovered, our international trade deficit as well as our ability to finance such a huge national debt are being openly questioned, and the almighty dollar is clearly in a long-term downtrend. On cue, here comes high dudgeon about "bloated government, bloated spending, bloated deficits".... not to mention angry attacks on Keynesian economics with its emergency deficit spending, coupled with frantic defenses of Friedman's dogma of an unregulated "free market"----- the very dogma which brought us the global meltdown in the first place, remember.

The deficit hawks do indeed have a point, just not quite as overwhelming as they seem to believe (as we shall see). The national debt has, however, become a sturdy rallying cry for Republicans,  Blue Dog Democrats, and frightened voters who themselves are facing unheard-of levels of debt, bankruptcy, and bleak personal futures as a result. Why, they argue, should the federal government, bloated as it is, be any different from profligate individuals?  Besides, they cry, what about the kids? Won't they be saddled with trying to pay the bloated interest on such enormous debt, much less trying to pay it off? "Damn Washington! Damn politicians! Damn Democrats for all this touchy, feely Big Spending! Taxed Enough Already! Roll it all back, dismantle the New Deal and Obamacare!"

Exactly.

The subtext or hidden motives for such an attack on the whole budget deficit-national debt ball of wax is the ironclad intention of the plutocrats finally to achieve at long last their greatest dream of wiping out everything FDR accomplished, indeed, everything Teddy Roosevelt and other populists accomplished during the 20th century, thus returning America to its first gilded age, the rip-roaring, unregulated years of plunder after the Civil War.  Today's plutocrats, the corporatists of the mega, globalized corporations, and the clever manipulators of Wall Street's hyper-complicated paper, believe everything is coming together in a perfect storm for them to achieve that dream, thanks to the present crisis (i.e., the financial meltdown and consequent, cruel global economic collapse---- which is not yet over, witness Greece, for example). We are in the middle of a classic Milton Friedman crisis, of "disaster capitalism" writ large. And, as others have said, "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

Just how should Obama and the Democrats respond to the Republicans' campaign themes for 2010? Especially, what about this deficit-debt assault, the "Double D" battle that conceals the treacherous agenda of the corporatists, which is, at bottom, to suck the democracy out of our system, leaving behind a shell of the republic, which they will then control completely---- an oligarchy of global plutocrats.  

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Details...details... (0.00 / 0)
Wow! Long post with a lot of details to end up with a question of what rhetoric do we use against the R's rhetoric?  Well a couple fo points.  I read today that residential housing prices are finally on the rise.  That is a great indicator.  Unemployment will likely go down from here.  Just point it out to readers as it happens.  Also, don't worry about commercial RE.  It always lags residential by about 2 years.  It will recover.

But what to do.  Stop spending money.  Cut the budget.  Try workiing on the expenditure side of the equation instead of being fixated on the income side.  Then when people complain about cutting services (maybe start with schools so people REALLY feel it) put the blame squarely on Bush and his war.

In other words, all the R's bluff and show the public you can be a spend thrift just like any R.

Also, return time and time again to the problems with Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.  That really is the big threat to our country and I am sorry but HCR did not do much of anything to address those issues.  Try actually working WITH the R's to craft a bill you will hate but pass it as a Dem bill an take the credit for saving these programs.

The same applies to financial reform, immigration, and energy/carbon bills.  BTW, all these issues will end up impacting the deficit and trade imbalance in the end (especially energy).  But you have to give (sometimes quite a bit).  It really isn't that hard.  Times running out though.  Swallow your pride - its not poison!!


Not the question (0.00 / 0)
Thank you for your suggestions. What the question was, however, was not what to do administratively (a governing question) but what to do in the campaign for the upcoming elections (a political question)---- and some possible answers to that question would have been included in this post by me, but it was already much too long... I had to split another post on BlueCommonwealth.com into 3 parts for the same reason when discussing the 2009 Virginia gubernatorial race ("Hard Lessons").

Your proposals assume that the Republican framing of the deficit-debt problem is correct. It is not, at least not as currently set up, IMO. President Obama himself is going about fulfilling your suggestions by setting up his Commission (see another post here on BlueVirginia.com).

The current frame is a "gotcha." How a question is asked influences what kind of answer you get. Therefore, the way way the Double D question is being asked (i.e., framed) seems to be designed to do what is described in the next-to-last paragraph. It reeks of enmity for Keynesianism and the various popuilist reforms of the 20th century which are now what is explicitly under the guillotine, including by you in your comments.

Your remarks urging cooperation with the other political party ought better to be directed to Republicans at this point, when it comes to governing. They are the ones who so far have refused to do so, and made non-negotiable demands.    


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Oh come on!! (0.00 / 0)
"Your remarks urging cooperation with the other political party ought better to be directed to Republicans at this point, when it comes to governing. They are the ones who so far have refused to do so, and made non-negotiable demands."

Cooperation is a two way street and someone has to step off the curb first (how is that for a mixed metaphor?)  If you want to stop the finger pointing and really get something DONE - then start by stopping the finger pointing.


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No, sir (4.00 / 1)
I do not know when you started counting, but the Democrats have indeed bent over backward (especially our excellent President, who promised to try to change the tone in Washington and attempted to fulfill that campaign promise like his others, only to be treated shamefully by Republicans) to get Republican cooperation.... they tried so many times we in the grassroots began to wonder just how naive the national Democrats could be. The record is pretty clear on this matter. Try something more plausible.

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Look... (0.00 / 0)
If SOMEONE does not step up and really negotiate (not play politics with evey issue) we ARE going to go down the tubes financially.  Medicare, Medicade, and SS are the big deficit drivers and if we learned NOTHING else from HCR it should be that we will not pass ANYTHING meaningful unless we negotiate with the R's.  You are still doing nothing but pointing fingers - go back and read your responses.  I am suggesting we play a Clinton on these R's - preemptively adopt their ideas and pass them and then claim victory.  It is going to happen anyway the only question is whether it is now when we can claim victory or after the elections when we are forced into it (or get ABSOLUTELY nothing done).  Try being AMerican for once instead of Democrats and Republicans.

Lindsey Graham will negotiate and look where that got him - Reid screwed him over because of immigration (which he is bound to lose).  Why? Because of the election (which, btw, Reid is also bound to lose).  He should try doing his job on the way out and help fix some of the big problems for real - with real compromise.  


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Thank you (0.00 / 0)
Otter, and when it comes to the horrendous, crying need to "negotiate" and bring the country together on needed solutions, your description of that need is spot on.

What you cannot seem to grasp is that Democrats at the beginning of President Obama's term honestly and sincerely tried to do exactly that. But negotiation is a two-way street. The counter-party has to cooperate and negotiate in good faith. From the very getgo the Republicans openly and brazenly said they would vote NO on everything, even proposals they themselves had made earlier---- because, they said, they wanted the duly elected President of the United States to fail. Nice patriotism, that.

Sometimes the two parties have such opposite views of how to solve problems there is no middle ground. When Democrats recently have indeed listened and watered down their proposals(including but not limited to health care) they got their heads handed to them with a total "No" Republican vote, even including those Republicans who had demanded and received concessions in the bill---- betrayed yet again. When this happens over and over and over, there comes a point where Democrats rightly must say No themselves. Let the Republicans go off and have their tantrums. We have to get something done, which is what we were elected to do.  


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Invest in Broad Recovery (0.00 / 0)
If we cut spending now we'll kill off any chance of a recovery.

The government should do what Governments do best:  invest in a broad and lasting recovery.

The right is framing this as a crisis.  The crisis was created by those who are framing this as a crisis.  Rubin, Peterson, and others are part of the Wall Street problem.

We have a huge deficit this year because of the mess Bush left in government and the economic disaster other unregulated market zealots created.  

In the short term we don't cut spending because this isn't a spending crisis it's a revenue crisis.  In the long term the solution isn't to cut social security, but to control health care costs.

The ACA gets us started with $1.2 Trillion in savings over the next 20 years, but if we could have had single payer or a public option we'd have been much better off.

There can be no honest discussion of this situation without understanding the real macroeconomics of the US federal budget, and without discussing revenue and defense spending.

Anything that fails to take all of these into account this month's conservative fear mongering along the lines of death panels.

With solid investment and long term health care spending controls (not medicare cuts), we grow beyond this seemingly frightening moment and get the economy to a broader prosperity.

some more good thinking on this:
http://www.openleft.com/diary/...


Excellent link (0.00 / 0)
and thank you. Mike Lux at Open Left brings up some of the same things I will be covering in Part II of this post, and more besides. I share his concern that the current conservative game plan in creating hysteria over the deficit is to wipe the slate clean of the 20th century (see the last 2 paragraphs of this post here). Unless progressives get off their hindquarters and present alternative scenarios, we will unwittingly lose the battle before we know it.

You have to realize you are in a fight to begin with, and then you have to understand what the fight is about before you can hope to win it. Let's not be blindsided.


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Two words never mentioned in the debate (0.00 / 0)
= defense spending. Yes, I recognize that health costs and entitlements are by far the biggest dog in the room. But the military comes next, and everyone in Washington acts like every penny that goes to the Pentagon is sacred and untouchable. We're talking half a trillion every year not counting funding for the war de jure.  Sorry, but that doesn't qualify as pocket change in my book.

Unfortunately, the odds of Dems growing the balls to even raise this issue are slim to none, and Slim is MIA.  Among the questions that you won't hear raised are:

-  What weapons systems and bases exist only for political, not military reasons, and how much can we raise by ditching them?

- Do we really need to maintain bases in all the countries where we have troops permanently stationed?  Will we ever ask our allies to step up their contributions to their own defense, or will we continue to subsidize them by providing their defensive shields?

It burns me up when I see Dems saying we will hold all "non-defense" spending down. That's a Republican trick dating to the Reagan administration.  As you say, Teddy, when we will stop playing on GOP home turf and start setting the terms of the debate?

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What caused the deficit (0.00 / 0)
has to be understood before cratfing a way to bring it down (if we do), and this, I hope, will be in Part II of this diary.  

Interestingly, in a graph of data from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, by far the biggest amount of the deficit arises from the long-term effects of Bush II's tax cuts for the wealthiest. Next comes effects of the economic downturn (which creates the revenue shortfalls), next (and much smaller) is the long-term costs of the 2 wars Bush II ginned up. Various recovery efforts make up only a thin line on the graph, and the costs of TARP specifically disappear within a year. The deficit without these items becomes piddling.

How we deal with this current conservative deficit hysteria will set the priorities for our country for several generations. It is up to us now to decide just what kind of country we want to be, and what we will bequeath to our children and grandchildren.


[ Parent ]
So your answer is one of the two following possibilities... (0.00 / 0)
You can either raise taxes again and pass those increased taxes on to your kids.

OR

You can reduce outlays and pass a tighter fiscal ship onto your kid.

This is not a "conservative deficit hysteria".  I am not a conservative but only an idiot would not be concerned about where the national debt is and where it is going.  Pointing the finger at Republicans does not fix anything and I don't think it will help win any elections.  ACTING to ACTUALLY reduce the deficit may - and even if it doesn't you can go out with your head held high.


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We definitely need to bring down (0.00 / 0)
our long-term structural deficit, or we're going to eventually end up like Greece.  How we do that is the only question, but by definition it has to be some mix on the spending and revenue sides of the equation...

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It's not entitlements... (0.00 / 0)
It's defense and health care spending.  Moving to single-payer would take us from 17-18% of GDP spend on healthcare, down to where other developed nations are at 8-10%.  

Social Security is neither a drain, nor in crisis.  Medicare will be fully able to manage the system without having to pass along trillions of dollars to insurance companies which add precisely what value?  none.


[ Parent ]
It is entitlements (0.00 / 0)
In 1960, 52.2% of government spending was for defense.  That is now 19.3%.  In that same time period, Human Resources (entitlement) spending went from 28.4% to 67.3%.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/...

[ Parent ]
So (0.00 / 0)
your priority is to cut entitlements because that is the most important thing to do to "solve" the must-be-solved deficit ("solve" means reduce, in this context). Please see my reply below to soclockshadow. I reject the current framing of the deficit as implied in your response.

[ Parent ]
Deficit is greater than defense spending (0.00 / 0)
2009 defense spending was $661B.  The deficit was $1413B.  Eliminate ALL defense spending, and we still have a $752B deficit.

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Correct, but want to bet (0.00 / 0)
the President's Commission comes back with ways to slice the entitlements? That is the main objective of most of those on the panel... or so it seems. "Everything is on the table" says Obama.

Making sure the wealthy pay their share is important, too. This discussion about the deficit must be taken out of the Republican-created frame ("terrifying deficit! must reduce it at any cost!").

Are our priorities going to be:
1) to create as good a life as possible for all levels of our society, or
2) is it to make it possible for a favored few to have enormous wealth, run endless wars in order to interfere with other people's lives, and depend on the weak reed of charity to ameliorate the agonies of the "lower classes?"

That is the real question the Commission should attend to


[ Parent ]
What IS their share, anyway? (0.00 / 0)
"Making sure the wealthy pay their share is important, too."

What do you think that should be?


[ Parent ]
For starters, tax everything that Jack owns and let him live on private charity (0.00 / 0)
or wingnut welfare!

[ Parent ]
It is not either/or... (0.00 / 0)
I heard someone suggest yesterday that SS can be helped by building incentives into the system for people to work longer if they can.  But entitlement are not meant to give EVERYONE as "good a life as possible".  They are meant to be safety nets so NOBODY has to live the worst life possible.

In the end, it the legislature can not move away from the D/R pendulum and move BACK to true bipartisan compromise.  We WILL go under financially and that won't be good for ANYBODY.


[ Parent ]
Fair shares (0.00 / 0)
As I recall, under Eisenhower the very top tax rate was 90 percent, and yet we had a booming economy. Fair is a human concept and does not occur in nature, so it's a matter for discussion. I am not in favor of a so-called flat rate; it sounds reasonable but is not, IMO. The Bush II tax cuts threw us into deficits and the double wars compounded the problem, for starters.

"Fair" deserves it's own diary.


2.5% growth and three recessions is "booming"? (0.00 / 0)
You're kidding, right?

2.52% real GDP growth under Eisenhower.
3.25% real GDP growth since Eisenhower.
That's a 29% difference.

If we had continued at the Eisenhower growth rates, we would have now the economy we had in 1993.
http://www.data360.org/dsg.asp...


[ Parent ]
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