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Republicans Block Democratic Tax Cuts for 97% of Americans

by: lowkell

Tue Sep 14, 2010 at 06:16:45 AM EDT


Let's get this "renew the Bush tax cuts" story straight. First of all, at this point they're the "Bush tax increases." Remember, it was a Republican Congress and a Republican President who passed and signed a law that raised taxes (e.g., let the 2001 tax cuts expire) on January 1, 2011. That's the default, business-as-usual case, thanks to Republicans. Which means that, unless a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President act by the end of this year, we will all be seeing our taxes go up next year. Again, if that happens, if taxes increase on January 1, 2011, it will be courtesy of the Republicans, who wrote the law that way.

Second, to the extent that the Republican tax increase is postponed or rescinded, that will be the result of a Democratic Congress and Democratic President doing so.  That's right, Democrats would be cutting taxes, as they already did big time (and with almost no Republican support) in the "stimulus" ($237 billion in tax cuts to individuals, $51 billion in tax cuts for companies) last year.

Third, as for the BONE-r/Can'tor/McConnell Republicans, they're apparently willing to let taxes increase for all of us in order to give millionaires and billionaires an undeserved, largely-unasked-for, tax windfall.

Fourth, let's get real here: given our current deficit and national debt, we can't afford any of these tax cuts. In fact, "the CBO projects that a full extension of the Bush tax cuts, plus a permanent fix to the Alternative minimum tax, will cost $3.7 trillion over 10 years, not including debt service costs." Also, "The Joint Committee on Tax estimated in a March 2010 report...that the cost of extending just those cuts that affect people making less than $250,000 and permanently fixing the alternative minimum tax will cost $3 trillion. The difference-a bit less than $700 billion-is the cost of extending just those cuts for the wealthy."

Fifth, there's a case to be made that, even though we can't afford any of these tax cuts in the long haul, we need to continue them in the short haul because of the recession. I'm definitely open to that argument, although eventually taxes are going to have to go up (and health care costs gotten under control) if we're ever going to tackle our severe, long-term structural deficits.

Finally, however, the concept that the wealthiest (e.g., top 2% or 3%) of Americans (where you draw the line, exactly, is debatable, but $250,000 seems reasonable) need a tax cut right now is questionable at best. Which makes the Republicans' willingness to raise taxes on everyone else (the other 97%-98%) in order to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires even more egregious than it already is.  Oh, and forget the Republicans' supposed commitment to "fiscal conservatism," as these tax cuts - for the rich ($700 billion over 10 years) or the middle class ($2 trillion over 10 years) are both completely unpaid for and unaffordable.

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The Timing Was Intentional (4.00 / 1)
Far enough out that Bush would never have to face the consequences of the expiration and, based upon history, very likely occuring during a Democratic administration. A Rovian hand shaped this dilemma.

We are facing the sacrifices required by war and compounded by pandering to corporate interests, but deferred by betting against the future.

Obama cannot carry this water alone. Sadly, there is not an audible Democratic voice throwing this back on its owners. The National Party seems to have the same anemia we suffer here in Virginia.


Yes, we have you right where we want you. (0.00 / 0)
Rove's long-term strategy was to make his President toxic enough that the Republican Party would endure massive losses in Congress and lose the White House, all so we could recoup some of those losses back after four years of Democratic control.

Rove also planned the BP oil spill. Look it up.


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You mean "turdblossom?" (0.00 / 0)
Actually, his strategy appears to be to have created a toxic environment in America for everyone, and to that end, he's succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

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No, I didn't mean "turdblossom". (0.00 / 0)
In fact, I can't think of a scenario when I would ever mean "turdblossom" for anything.  

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Well, that was what Dubya (0.00 / 0)
called Rove

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I Didn't Say They Were Geniuses (4.00 / 1)
Just devious. Nor did I call out Rove; just used an adjective: Rovian. One problem was that their assumptions have fairly much all failed because the basis for their philosophy is a null set in the real world.

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Let's rectify the terminology here (0.00 / 0)
These will NOT be "Bush tax cuts" and are not to be so called.

*This will be a Bush/Republican Tax Increase if nothing is done

*This will be an Obama or Democratic TAX CUT for the middle class if Congress does as Obama requests.

Please stop using the Republican's phony framing.
Rovian or turdblossomy, the current phraseology does not begin to tell the truth. If the stupid Bush maneuver is allowed to expire, it should be called what it is: a Bush tax increase. The Republicans are calling it an Obama tax increase. This is outrageous. Do not fall into that wordsmithing crev-asse.  


Isn't this the same thing, though? (2.00 / 1)
Aren't you just using the Democrat's phony framing by saying this?

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What phony framing (4.00 / 1)
The existing tax legislation, written and approved through budget reconciliation by a Republican-majority Senate and a Republican-majority House, and signed into law by a Republican President, will expire on Dec 31, 2010.  Thus, an entirely new law will need to be written to create any new tax cuts.  There's no concept of "extension" since you can't amend a sunset provision in an old law.  

Thus, it's up to Democrats - since Dems control the Senate, House and the Presidency - to pass new legislation to cut taxes effective January 1, 2011.  Since, by law written and passed 100% by Republican legislative and executive branches, the rates will go up on Jan 1 and the other breaks will expire.  


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I guess (0.00 / 0)
I guess the phony framing would be calling these "Republican tax increases", since had Republicans not passed them, people would have paid more money over that 10 year span. Seems kind of tough to call putting more money in the hands of the people a tax increase.

I have no problem with Democrats passing legislation to keep the tax rates at the same rates as the Bush tax cuts; in fact, I applaud them for doing so. You don't usually see that kind of action from Democrats, though I suppose it is within two months of an election. I just wish they'd extend ALL the rates so they don't harm small businesses.


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"You don't usually see that kind of action from Democrats" (0.00 / 0)
False. Democrats and the Obama Administration cut taxes by $288 billion in early 2009. Zero House Republicans and just three Senate Republicans voted for the bill, including the tax cuts.

Tax incentives for individuals
Total: $237 billion
$116 billion: New payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. Phaseout begins at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers.[29]
$70 billion: Alternative minimum tax: a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009.[29]
$15 billion: Expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes).
$14 billion: Expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010. The credit is phased out for couples making more than $160,000.
$6.6 billion: Homebuyer credit: $8,000 refundable credit for all homes bought between 1/1/2009 and 12/1/2009 and repayment provision repealed for homes purchased in 2009 and held more than three years. This only applies to first-time homebuyers.[41]
$4.7 billion: Excluding from taxation the first $2,400 a person receives in unemployment compensation benefits in 2009.
$4.7 billion: Expanded earned income tax credit to increase the earned income tax credit - which provides money to low income workers - for families with at least three children.
$4.3 billion: Home energy credit to provide an expanded credit to homeowners who make their homes more energy-efficient in 2009 and 2010. Homeowners could recoup 30 percent of the cost up to $1,500 of numerous projects, such as installing energy-efficient windows, doors, furnaces and air conditioners.
$1.7 billion: for deduction of sales tax from car purchases, not interest payments phased out for incomes above $250,000.
Tax incentives for companies
Total: $51 billion
$15 billion: Allowing companies to use current losses to offset profits made in the previous five years, instead of two, making them eligible for tax refunds.
$13 billion: to extend tax credits for renewable energy production (until 2014).
$11 billion: Government contractors: Repeal a law that takes effect in 2012, requiring government agencies to withhold three percent of payments to contractors to help ensure they pay their tax bills. Repealing the law would cost $11 billion over 10 years, in part because the government could not earn interest by holding the money throughout the year.
$7 billion: Repeal bank credit: Repeal a Treasury provision that allowed firms that buy money-losing banks to use more of the losses as tax credits to offset the profits of the merged banks for tax purposes. The change would increase taxes on the merged banks by $7 billion over 10 years.
$5 billion: Bonus depreciation which extends a provision allowing businesses buying equipment such as computers to speed up its depreciation through 2009.


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So (0.00 / 0)
You think a sole proprietorship or a simple partnership is just going to shut down operations as soon as they hit $250,000 in NET PROFITS for the year just because they would pay four cents extra per dollar on NET PROFITS over $250,000?  I think not.  

Republicans may have convinced a dumbass like Joe the Plumber, who made $57,000 in a good year, that that four extra cents on NET PROFITS over $250,000 negatively affected him.  That was bullshit, then again, par for the Republican course to convince dimwits to support something that doesn't affect them.  It's a lot easier than having a financier or oilman from going on TV to say "with these higher taxes, I'll only be able to afford a new Bentley every other year instead of annually".  Or something to that effect.


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That was exactly the point of what I wrote (0.00 / 0)
The fact is, this will be a DEMOCRATIC tax cut - the second big one in Obama's administration, by the way - unless Republicans insist on keeping to their original plan (or stubbornly block the overall Obama tax cut package in order to help their millionaire and billionaire friends), to allow taxes to rise on January 1, 2011.

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Nice Framing but... (0.00 / 0)
I like your framing of the Bush tax increases, but you also need to add that what Obama is proposing is a tax cut for EVERYONE.  It is only income over $250,000 that gets taxed at the old rate.  Millionaires still get a tax cut on the first $250k.

Still, it takes a disciplined, aggressive party to deliver the message, and that we sorely lack.  

Besides we have the likes of Gerry Connolly, who just after he was helped by Obama appearing in his district, told The Post that he favors extending tax cuts for even incomes over $250k.  I honestly don't think I can vote for the guy.


Good point. (0.00 / 0)
As far as Connolly's concerned, he's obviously pandering to wealthy voters in the 11th CD.  

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